TiTillIdie
Plastic
- Joined
- Aug 27, 2015
Hey everyone. I know this is always a touchy subject but I am having a hard time finding people at any rate. And when I do, I am mostly always surprised by how much they want to start, even without the experience. I know you definitively get what you pay for in life as well as employees.
We are currently a 4 full time person shop. Including 2 operators and 2 experienced programmers (my dad and myself).
We have a lot of work and would like to get another programmer / Setup guy. I guess what I am asking for is how do you know what someone is really worth. We have a 4 year program at our local college and they have a "Pay Scale," but it does not consider much other than how long they have been in the class. The rates are as follows:
Year 1, $10.78
Year 2, $12.50
Year 3, $14.23
Year 4, $16.17
Journeyworker $21.56
These are the latest report from 2019. We would have a hard time finding anyone completely new for the rate of a 3 or 4 year person. We are located in Florida and have MANY large companies around us. Harris, Grummon, Lockheed, Blue Origin, SpaceX, not to mention Amazon distribution, Walmart distribution. Being a small shop, we cannot compete with the $30 an hour these big companies are paying, with exception of Amazon and Walmart, which are $15 or more to start.
So, do you guys have a way to see where people are on the scale of new to experienced? What do you start fresh, green employees at? I have seen a couple resumes that will say "operator 2" or "programmer 1" but that doesn't really tell us what they are capable of. Is there a master list of what a "programmer 1" should be capable of?
What do you guys pay? Sorry its blunt but I need to get a better feel for what everyone else is doing. Maybe it will be good for all of us to get some sort of idea what is going on in other shops, pay wise. Or maybe it will help me decide to just go get a "real job" somewhere and not have to deal with running a business.
Here in FL, our 2 Operators are at $16 with years of experience, but not much more than just operating.
We are currently a 4 full time person shop. Including 2 operators and 2 experienced programmers (my dad and myself).
We have a lot of work and would like to get another programmer / Setup guy. I guess what I am asking for is how do you know what someone is really worth. We have a 4 year program at our local college and they have a "Pay Scale," but it does not consider much other than how long they have been in the class. The rates are as follows:
Year 1, $10.78
Year 2, $12.50
Year 3, $14.23
Year 4, $16.17
Journeyworker $21.56
These are the latest report from 2019. We would have a hard time finding anyone completely new for the rate of a 3 or 4 year person. We are located in Florida and have MANY large companies around us. Harris, Grummon, Lockheed, Blue Origin, SpaceX, not to mention Amazon distribution, Walmart distribution. Being a small shop, we cannot compete with the $30 an hour these big companies are paying, with exception of Amazon and Walmart, which are $15 or more to start.
So, do you guys have a way to see where people are on the scale of new to experienced? What do you start fresh, green employees at? I have seen a couple resumes that will say "operator 2" or "programmer 1" but that doesn't really tell us what they are capable of. Is there a master list of what a "programmer 1" should be capable of?
What do you guys pay? Sorry its blunt but I need to get a better feel for what everyone else is doing. Maybe it will be good for all of us to get some sort of idea what is going on in other shops, pay wise. Or maybe it will help me decide to just go get a "real job" somewhere and not have to deal with running a business.
Here in FL, our 2 Operators are at $16 with years of experience, but not much more than just operating.