As my business continues to change and grow, I am slowly surpassing the point where my time and floor space is more valuable than what many of my old machines put out. Many of my machines have sentimental value, and selling them will be extremely difficult. Most are in good, or better condition, well cared for machines that at times I traveled great distances to procure.
Problem I am having at the moment is pricing them. I am struggling to find comparable machines recently sold to look at reasonable prices. I am well versed at what used machinery sells for, and don't worry I know I won't retire on the few machines I have, but I would like to get as much money as I can for them. This in part helps assure me a buyer will HOPEFULLY take care of them.
In order of age:
Averbeck 21" Shaper - good running machine w/ vise, extra phenolic crash gear and tooling. Roughly based on scrap $400-$600? This was the very first machine tool I ever ran. My grandfather started me on it, when I started working at his Tool & Die shop after college.
Abrasive 1 1/2 Surface Grinder - I have a few of these and while I know used grinders don't bring much, most sellers do a terrible job of showing condition. A couple of these grinders still grind flat within a tenth or two and have good finishes. $500-$1000?
Gorton 3U Pantograph - Extremely well equipped. I have an absurd amount of tooling and spare parts and accessories. - $1000?
B&S 2A Light Type Universal Horizontal (1942?) - Good running machine in good condition w/ vertical head, rare dividing head, complete set of gears for div head, vertical spindle converted to 30 NMTB Erikson Quick Change, an extensive assortment of 30 taper tooling, some 40 taper tooling including a Sumitomo 6" facemill, and a few B&S holders for the dividing head and a 4 jaw chuck. $2000?
Monarch 10EE (1943) - I'll eventually put a post in the Monarch forum, but I'll put this here for now. Good running machine, fair amount of wear, but mechanically a good functioning machine. $1500? I would probably sell the Cushman 4 jaw and Jacobs rubberflex separate.
K&T 2D (June 1944) - A nice running machine in good condition. Spindle bearings are tired, and it can be difficult to get really nice finishes. Needs some love and care if it is going to be a regularly used machine. Pretty accurate machine, though it has a fair amount of slop in the screws. Well equipped machine, with a 16" rotary table, PTO, w/ 3 splined shafts, connectors, a complete set of 30 K&T collets, 2 or 3 of the 30 K&T holders for 20 K&T collets, a complete set of 20 K&T collets, several NOS 30 K&T collets and several NOS 20 K&T collets, has trays for P&W/DeVlieg end measures, only 1 of the .0001" indicators is working, but I bought a replacement for the other. I also have a K&T Dividing Head which would be available for purchase. $3000? $4000? With the accessories, parting it out is probably the best way to go, but I hate to do that.
Cincinatti Toolmaster (1956) - I have the invoice and paperwork for this machine. My grandfather was there the day it was delivered December 24th 1956. He used this machine for the next 55 years. I spent many hours working on this mill with him frowning over my shoulder. It still does good work, but takes some WORK to make good work. I rebuilt the spindle a few years ago with premium super precision bearings (ABEC 7 instead of the original ABEC 5) Takes a proprietary Weldon quick change holder. It comes with a small, but comprehensive set. They can be made by modifying 40 NMTB holders. $1000?
Thoughts? Opinions?
Problem I am having at the moment is pricing them. I am struggling to find comparable machines recently sold to look at reasonable prices. I am well versed at what used machinery sells for, and don't worry I know I won't retire on the few machines I have, but I would like to get as much money as I can for them. This in part helps assure me a buyer will HOPEFULLY take care of them.
In order of age:
Averbeck 21" Shaper - good running machine w/ vise, extra phenolic crash gear and tooling. Roughly based on scrap $400-$600? This was the very first machine tool I ever ran. My grandfather started me on it, when I started working at his Tool & Die shop after college.
Abrasive 1 1/2 Surface Grinder - I have a few of these and while I know used grinders don't bring much, most sellers do a terrible job of showing condition. A couple of these grinders still grind flat within a tenth or two and have good finishes. $500-$1000?
Gorton 3U Pantograph - Extremely well equipped. I have an absurd amount of tooling and spare parts and accessories. - $1000?
B&S 2A Light Type Universal Horizontal (1942?) - Good running machine in good condition w/ vertical head, rare dividing head, complete set of gears for div head, vertical spindle converted to 30 NMTB Erikson Quick Change, an extensive assortment of 30 taper tooling, some 40 taper tooling including a Sumitomo 6" facemill, and a few B&S holders for the dividing head and a 4 jaw chuck. $2000?
Monarch 10EE (1943) - I'll eventually put a post in the Monarch forum, but I'll put this here for now. Good running machine, fair amount of wear, but mechanically a good functioning machine. $1500? I would probably sell the Cushman 4 jaw and Jacobs rubberflex separate.
K&T 2D (June 1944) - A nice running machine in good condition. Spindle bearings are tired, and it can be difficult to get really nice finishes. Needs some love and care if it is going to be a regularly used machine. Pretty accurate machine, though it has a fair amount of slop in the screws. Well equipped machine, with a 16" rotary table, PTO, w/ 3 splined shafts, connectors, a complete set of 30 K&T collets, 2 or 3 of the 30 K&T holders for 20 K&T collets, a complete set of 20 K&T collets, several NOS 30 K&T collets and several NOS 20 K&T collets, has trays for P&W/DeVlieg end measures, only 1 of the .0001" indicators is working, but I bought a replacement for the other. I also have a K&T Dividing Head which would be available for purchase. $3000? $4000? With the accessories, parting it out is probably the best way to go, but I hate to do that.
Cincinatti Toolmaster (1956) - I have the invoice and paperwork for this machine. My grandfather was there the day it was delivered December 24th 1956. He used this machine for the next 55 years. I spent many hours working on this mill with him frowning over my shoulder. It still does good work, but takes some WORK to make good work. I rebuilt the spindle a few years ago with premium super precision bearings (ABEC 7 instead of the original ABEC 5) Takes a proprietary Weldon quick change holder. It comes with a small, but comprehensive set. They can be made by modifying 40 NMTB holders. $1000?
Thoughts? Opinions?