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Rock Moss Green Formula for Benjamin Moore P22 Coating

Patrick Black

Aluminum
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Dec 11, 2007
Location
Middle Tennessee
This thread is hilarious (and flattering).

You know fellows, when I came up with this color a couple years ago, I just dumped a few glugs of this color and a several glugs of that color etc. into a bucket and I stirred it all up and just kept adjusting it till it was close enough. I was "shooting" for rockmoss green but when it looked like it would look good on my lathe, I just stopped. I wouldn't paint my Model A with it. I would get PPG to mix it up if I wanted to use it on a car or tractor or something else that I wanted to look bonestock factory original. In other words, I called it "rockmoss" green but in reality it's just a bunch of inexpensive tractor/implement paint in somwhat stock tractor colors mixed together.

I've used the same process to mix different colors for antique engines and carts more recently. When I mix, I just go for my perception of what I think it should or would have looked like without getting too stressed up over historical reality. It's just a hobby and most iron artifacts of the era had a lot of color variation over time as different batches were delivered and suppliers changed.

By the way, the Hendey paint is still holding up good after three years. Some parts have been covered in spindle/way/cutting/hydraulic oil for three years and it hasn't had any effect on the paint. Since there is no UV exposure I expect it will do fine.

I might suggest anyone wanting to paint something a non-stock "old looking" color to do what I did and get a Model A repaint manual and look at all the different colors used. I think a two-tone chicle drab and copra drab would look pretty spiffy on an old machine tool. Or look at other examples of cars, appliances, and machinery from the era.

Kind of a bummer about TSC dropping the Valspar brand. They do have the same colors in the new Magic brand so not all hope is lost. I'm willing to give it a shot and see how it holds up in the near future.

Pat Black
 
Joined
Aug 10, 2007
Location
West Coast
This thread is hilarious (and flattering).

You're famous now, although I consider this formula to be JohnO Green, it was after all mixed from his...hehehe just kidding, the world will know it as Patrick Black RMG. This also makes you a trend setter. ;)

You know fellows, when I came up with this color a couple years ago, I just dumped a few glugs of this color and a several glugs of that color etc. into a bucket and I stirred it all up and just kept adjusting it till it was close enough.

I see many colors that look great. It seems that the key in getting a good looking machine is getting a nice brush-less finish when using a brush. What kind of brush did you use?

Some company has a Ditzler chip catalog for sale.

I recently bought a South Bend lathe from an estate, the owner restored cars and left a nice collection to his nephew, I would say there were about a dozen left that his nephew was selling off. Half of them were not original and turned into hot rods and/or modified suspensions. Several more as work in progress. One large sedan was a dark burgandy with black fenders. I thought the burgandy would look good on a machine.

Cheers,
Alan
 

Patrick Black

Aluminum
Joined
Dec 11, 2007
Location
Middle Tennessee
What kind of brush did you use?

I used Purdy synthetic sash and chisel tip brushes that were already broke-in from house painting. I tried an artist-type brush but that paint was real draggy once the brush got loaded. The house paint brushes were stiff enough to deal with it.
 

metalmagpie

Titanium
Joined
May 22, 2006
Location
Seattle
Normally I don't respond to nine year old postings but I've been looking for a color to paint a machine I got from an early Ford plant. I saw this thread in the antique forum stickies and had a look. That's the one!

I had no luck at all sourcing Valspar tractor and implement paint. I guess since Sherwin Williams bought them they have faded from the forefront somewhat. But I do shop at Benjamin Moore and after some searching I found a store not too far away that carries P22 paint and P06 primer. I emailed myself the codes from above and showed my phone right to the desk clerk and he knew just what they meant.

I got a gallon of primer and a gallon of topcoat. I had not realized that since the deep freeze in Texas which burst a lot of pipes paint has been in short supply. The Mallory/BM guys said Sherwin Williams is essentially out of paint right now.

Anyway, they put a drop of the mixed paint on the lid of the topcoat can and it looks like an amazing color. I hope my machine comes out half as nice as the awesome lathe above. And yes, I will post some pictures when I get some parts painted.

metalmagpie
 

texasgeartrain

Titanium
Joined
Feb 23, 2016
Location
Houston, TX
Post pics after you paint some metalmagpie, be curious to see how it looks.

For those that might not know, this thread spawned from Patrick Black's Hendey rebuild, and the paint he used in it:
Hendey 14 by 6 Tie-Bar Rehab

I also think at least two paint threads came out it, this one here, plus another here:
Patrick Black's Paint Recipe

On that 2nd link, post #16 I show the mixture I used this year using Tractor Supply brand Majic paint, A little closer to an Army Green, but I'm happy with the color and paint. You can see it on the column and knee here:

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But if you notice the overarm support above is darker, I'm using a darker mixture from post #22 of that same thread, and the same color I used on this straight edge:

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metalmagpie

Titanium
Joined
May 22, 2006
Location
Seattle
I am using white primer instead of light gray, the latter being unavailable. I can now say I for sure had to use two coats of primer with sanding in between. Brushstroke marks and holidays abounded after the first coat. I didn't use Flood Penetrol the second time, just not familiar enough with the paint.

metalmagpie
 

metalmagpie

Titanium
Joined
May 22, 2006
Location
Seattle
Here is the first topcoated part. I'll add a second coat tomorrow. The light isn't very good but you can get the idea. - metalmagpie

firstColorCoat.jpg
 

Tom A

Hot Rolled
Joined
Apr 26, 2009
Location
NW Florida
Can you post a pic of that BM rock moss green paint under indoor lighting?
I know (Often from sad experience) how different paint can look under different lighting.:(
Thanks
 

metalmagpie

Titanium
Joined
May 22, 2006
Location
Seattle
Can you post a pic of that BM rock moss green paint under indoor lighting?
I know (Often from sad experience) how different paint can look under different lighting.:(
Thanks

I posted that pic above. I am experiencing some challenges on this current project that are slowing me down some. But I'll post more pictures soon.

metalmagpie
 








 
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