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GeneH

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Getting stuck with a needle is using common sence as in turning off a mill before changing a cutter.

Never been to a dialysis clinic during "turnover" have you?

People seem to get careless when the pressure is on, as it often is during turnover, especially in the cramped confines mandated by the "all comers accepted" world of guaranteed access medical services. In reality when you got ten people trying to handle a dozen sick people, plus coordinate rides and handle equipment, things get a bit "busy".

People get needle stuck all of the time, Steve. One coworker was needle stuck by an HIV positive patient - he said, "It's part of the game", before going off to gobble down the wunnerful drugs which inhibit the AIDS virus. He spent a month vomiting while the drugs did their bit. Hope he didn't seroconvert later.

These are the sorts of "overpaid folk" whom the Democrats rail against when they talk of "inflated medical costs".

Gene
 

menace

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"(These are the sorts of "overpaid folk" whom the Democrats rail against when they talk of "inflated medical costs".)"

IMHO, unless these people try to go against the system that was in place when they hired on "before" they got stuck, no-one should try to de-rail them, Dems or Repubs. You should understand the dangers of the trade before you accept the responsability of the position, and don't cry when it all goes wrong. It's called up against the wall, up the creek, no paddle, oh $#.+. Talk to the boys+girls in the gulf!!! They're gettin stuck every day.

Once again you've trolled and fished off topic. This was supposed to be about the abusive slave labor practices of china and their lack of a substantive hourly wage in which families can feed themselves and come into the 21st century! Can we go on or is the thread done?

Steve
 

Tom1

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I am curious as to why you would think that the Democrats are going to change anything for you?

Will they make it so you don't pay taxes, or lessen the rate at what you pay, maybe , but not likely, be honest...

Will they end the war, not likely

Will they "give" health care to every one, not likely

What will they do,

Form exploratory committees to show how bush tricked them in the war, probably, and whine

Worry about global warming, probably, just whine mostly

Raise the minimum wage, probably, just to help the unions, also help more jobs out of the US

Make more laws,probably, more waste of time, stuff they wont enforce, feel good laws.

Make life harder for small business, probably, greedy SOBs don't pay enough any way

Make more Politically Correct nonsense, yep

Make "undocumented aliens" citizens, probably, Bush is all for it too, its as good as done.

So what will really change, not much for most folks, taxes might go up, the brown skinned guy that mows your lawn will be a citizen paying taxes, and his four generations of relatives will be on welfare.

The war on terror will fade, 911 will be a phone number, people of interest(terrorists) will be protected and given full rights. That is till the next major attack on US soil, then it will be Bushes fault.

What will not happen

Corruption taken out of politics, You have switched corrupt party A with corrupt party B, no change

Curb spending, nope, no one wants anything cut, ever, ever. Sure after we surrender in Iraq, we can cut that off, but that money will be redirected to some other pet project.

While my crystal ball is out, lets see New York state falls so deep in debt, there's no way out. Taxes wind up so high, only welfare people can afford to live there. Upstate NY becomes a ghost town, at an even faster rate. Sheldon Silver declares himself King of NY, and has governor removed



Am I so far off, really
 

Tom1

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Just curious, how many of you have been to China? Been in a Chinese manufacturing plant?
Care to learn about the Chinese people and the families or how they live.

Do you get your information from a place that may have an agenda, New York Times, Newsweek, Times, ect.

Just curious...
 

calvinator

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Location
Hilliard(Jacksonville area)Florida
My first idea is that China is taking the same road America did when we became a industralized nation. When demand for industry workers becomes greater than the avaiable supply the workers will demand better conditions and get them.(unions will form)They won't be communist long after that.

On the issue of our health care problems insurance companys seem to be the real problem. I am very fortunate to have a pretty good primary care doc but to get a referral this poor lady at the docs office has to spend an hour on the phone to get a appointment,approval,verification,and treatment recomendation till I can be seen by the specialist. This was for somthing as simple as a stubborn eye infection. Gone are the days of just going to the eye doc when you get somthing in it.(not workers comp got somthing in it at home)We all know whatever trade we are in man hours are the greatest expence in business.

As for the war on terror anyone in the military will tell you half mesures will get you nothing. It will never be over untill we nuke Iran, any country that openly declares DEATH TO AMRERICA.
would have a nuke with my name on it if I had my way. I personnally know a few people from the middle east and they are very quick to tell you that they are here because the radical muslims are crazy as hell and in power. The people that can think for themselves Muslem Christan or whatever can't get out fast enough. Killing inocent people is wrong but if they get a nuke it will be headed our way as soon as they can get it fueled and ready to launch. It is time to let the people in the middle east police themselves. They will elect another radical dictator and go back to the same old same old again, but it's time to bring our young people home.
 

GeneH

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How did this thread start?

Someone complained about Chinese sweatshops. Someone else about how wages are gonna fall through the floor, as if we can continue to afford luxuries like perfect safety, Courtroom socialism, and Union featherbedding if the wages fell.

Steve cranked up the Wurlitzer and cried his usual Whine and Geez party about national sovereignty, tarrifs, special taxes for lazy Union slugs, etc.

I countered with a discussion the Class Warfare policies of the DNC and their familiars in Big Government and Big Labor, how they drive manufacturing jobs to places with Sweatshops. Also poked at Roosevelt's Ponzi scheme and other wastes of money.

The usual suspects came out of the woodwork to defend sloth, featherbedding and Unionism, the battle was on.

Gene
 

menace

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Tom1
"(I am curious as to why you would think that the Democrats are going to change anything for you?)"

I have no hopes that the democrates are going to do anything worthwhile for the country during their time in office! It's only a few weeks since election and they can't agree already! No, they"ll make the same pocket filling blunders the last idiots did and hopfully will be gone next time around.
I would like to see a third party evolve independent of dumbo and the chooch! Thats gonna be a long wait maybe, but I have no agenda! Your post makes a lot of sense. A lot of the issues at hand will never change. Self perpetuating commities draining tax dollars, BS here, BS there, one party goes out the other slides right in. I watch it on CNN every nite! Makes me sick.
I live in upstate N.Y. now and it's already a ghost town. Been here 8 yrs and my taxes have tripled. Not bad, considering about all I get for my money is a plowed road and blocked drivway (after the storm has stopped) and a broken mailbox. Most of the kids up here join the military to get out of town, buy a car from the bonus, or earn some college money. When I moved up here I had a few bucks and wasn't very observent, but being here over time I can now see the majority of locals are really hurting, especielly the farmers.
I get my information at CNN on the web or TV or from this site and others. I don't read newspapers.

"(Care to learn about the Chinese people and the families or how they live)"

I have no real sympathy for the chinese people who are being abused. There are people here in the USA that are in a simalar hardship that deserve my feelings. My hatred goes to all the CEOs of the major corps that took business from here to there and are guilty of coersion with their gov't in these labor practices!
If I had my way, there would be a total BAN on all Pacific rim imported products, no excuses, until a balance of trade in I/O were worked out to our advantage.

Steve
 

chinahand

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Do you get your information from a place that may have an agenda, New York Times, Newsweek, Times, ect.
Yes, I read them sometimes, apparently sometimes something on China they just talk about a half story.

And they made a lot of absurd conjectures on China's trend, BS all the time.
Times Asia edition less than 5 yuan, can buy it at every university, students use it to learn english. It is the cheapest reference book available in China.(good ads) :D


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gmatov

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SW PA
OK,

Gonna try this again. Hit the wrong key, lost my post.

Steve,

Glad to hear the VA has treated you right.

Gene, spent a very little time of my life RUNNING cranes. Was starting a business at the time, thought that a midnight shift running crane, kind of an easy job in a machining department would allow me to snag a little snooze time.

That was at the Circle W. You want a taste of really running a crane, go get a job at US steel, in Raw Coil.If you dont't make 300 to 400 lifts per shift, you are screwing the other operators.

You do not know what work is. Period. Nor does your alterego, OD.

I've been in the Navy, the more rank you get, the less you do, the less you know. To become a WO, as he claims, means he was less knowledgable of his field of supposed expertise than than of his kiss ass expertise.

I knew a couple Senior Chiefs and Master Chiefs who would probably kick you out of the Chief's quarters. Them was goddamned good men. You ain't one of them.

Cheers,

George
 

olddude

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quote
"I've been in the Navy, the more rank you get, the less you do, the less you know. To become a WO, as he claims, means he was less knowledgable of his field of supposed expertise than than of his kiss ass expertise"
George based on your ideas I guess you were an admiral then?

At least I made it to the mess, You gotta be chief before you can be a WO and it certainly isn't my problem you were discharged, judging by your attitude I suspect you were because of a personality disorder.
Glad you are keeping in character and maintaining the personal attacks instead of discussing the issue.
You need to get some help, In another post you became enraged over a discussion about laser alignment, that is just plain strange.
I see you also have never overcome your non-rate mentality, claiming that everyone in a management position is lazy and useless,angry at everyone who has done a little better than you, wanting to catch snooze time, drinking on the job, buying cheap tools in hopes of scamming the company into replacing them with snap-on, You are a poster child the for stereotypical
useless union employee.

The first page should refresh your memory on the duties of a Chief Warrant Officer.
http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/vi/11311a.pdf

[ 11-26-2006, 07:35 AM: Message edited by: olddude ]
 

GeneH

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That was at the Circle W. You want a taste of really running a crane, go get a job at US steel, in Raw Coil.If you dont't make 300 to 400 lifts per shift, you are screwing the other operators.

You do not know what work is. Period. Nor does your alterego, OD.


You sound, George, like you shoveled thirteen tons of coal and owe your soul to the Company store. You had to sit in a cab and be vigilant?

I know a bit about being vigilant, George. Worked with biohazards, dangerous chemicals, lethal voltages. As far as I know I'm not incubating Hep or other nasties, and aside some scars I have no evidence of ever working in dangerous places.

What do I know of work?

Scubbing toilets, buffing floors, moving supplies. No union steward, no strikes, minimum wage.

Flipping burgers. It's Tuesday, "Special Night", crank out a couple hundred of them, a dozen at a time. Add to them Big Macs, Filet of Fish, McRibs, those nasty turnovers that blow up in the grease, and Chicken McNuggets. Special orders. Heat. Grease. Mop floors. Hustle after special orders. Clean up after bratty kids who dump stuff in the eating area. At the end of the day, wash it all down with sterilant and leave stuff out for morning. Hustling. No union steward, no strikes, minimum wage.

In Dialysis I had to do reprocessing along with repair and maintenence. That means some unpleasant character hands you a "soiled" dialyser. "soiled" is a euphemism, it's really loaded with clotted human blood, just teaming with viruses, bacteria, prions and God knows what else.

Look here for a description of what I"m talking about.

Note the "end caps" which are colored red and blue. You take hold of the dialyser and remove 'em. Use a water hose to flush out the clotted blood. Fish the clots out of the sink and toss 'em.

Dip the O rings in a sterilant. Replace and carefully torque - not too much or they break, too little or they leak. It's a "feel" thing. If you have line reuse coil the lines carefully.

Take the dialyser and rinse it out. They have robots to do it today. Back when we used high pressure ultra pure water.

Place it onto a machine. Manipulate the machine, do things to the dialyser. Test the dialyser with chemical tests and high pressure air and water. Check its volume and reject if it's too low. Wipe it down, record data and numbers. Do it wrong and someone can get seriously messed up. You get written up or worse.

Of course that's not the bottom line. I've watched people go to the hospital, George, because someone screwed up a dialyser and let it back out.

Do them in groups of ten. Ten should require an hour's time or more, and you'll do forty to sixty a day. Lots of noise, the sight of human blood, the stench of bleach, formaldehyde or a wonderful chemical called "peroxyacetic acid", which smells like nasty salad dressing.

That, my Man, is work. However I did more than those forty to sixty dialysers, but since I mainly did reuse at this clinic I was paid like it. They got all of that hard work for eight bucks an hour.

Tote solutions here and there, each one in a twenty five pound jug. Or you can move a 500 pound barrel of solutions. Mix bicarb, hefting fifteen pound bags over your head and carefully pouring the bicarb into the mix. Don't go too slow or it will "Gas out", or too fast and it lumps to the bottom.

Did I also mention that at any time I could be interrupted to fix something that some moron broke on the floor? One time I was fixing a machine while watching one of the Nurse Supervisor's pets breaking the next one.

After I followed her to the third machine I started crying inside of my suit, I was so frustrated. I was told to be "patient", my boss thought it was funny at least until the pet broke something expensive. Once she cost money they were less indulgent and it wasn't funny.

Did I mention mopping out bathrooms where a patient puked or bled? Helping clinicians dump a patient on the floor because they had coded. A dead body is heavy, George, and I didn't have a crane to help lift it either.

Once or twice a week a shipment of supplies comes in. Take 'em and stow 'em, record 'em, count 'em and all the while nurses and techs are trying to steal them before you're done counting them. An "order" is about ten to fifteen thousand pounds, George, all on pallets. No cranes, no special motorized pallet jacks. Your back provides the motion, with a regular pallet jack.

Did we run out of something? Get into my own car and go fetch more. Don't worry about my work, it'll be waiting for me when I come back from the trip. Sometimes I even got paid mileage for my trouble and parking too, sometimes I didn't. I paid almost $1,000 to park in one locale in a year, all at eight bucks an hour (I got screwed).

Of course, George, since I didn't hold a Union Card I was not a "working person". Union people are workers. Everyone else, well, they're either bosses or they're potential working people.

I worked in the IBEW, and I know about the breaks, the loafing and the games we played. I know about "don't work too hard". I got the notes and mailers that called me "Brother and Sister" even after they dumped me because I was a "scab with papers".

George, you wouldn't have lasted a week in Carnegie's steel mills. The Foreman would have sent your militant ass out the door. You wouldn't have lasted a turn with your "You owe me" attitude.

I did two years in manufacture as a "temp". I worked 480 "turns" of eight to ten hours each. Each day I had to prove that I could do the job. I watched people fall by the wayside, George. Each day I checked, tested and repaired twenty boards. Ask your tech friends how much work twenty boards at day takes, George.

I know what hard work is, George. I have it easy today.

Gene
 








 
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