If it isn't first op, why a self centering vise?
i dont have an answer to that, i'm not a proponent of self centering :P
i dont see why there's all the rage for self centering.
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If it isn't first op, why a self centering vise?
I'm new to this form factor but who other than Orange offers the fixed jaw style?i dont have an answer to that, i'm not a proponent of self centering [emoji14]
i dont see why there's all the rage for self centering.
I'm new to this form factor but who other than Orange offers the fixed jaw style?
Ok, edumacate me. If it's for a first op, from raw stock, what does it matter if the vise is slightly less precise, or lifts a hair? When it's tight it should be all locked up regardless.
If it isn't first op, why a self centering vise?
I do have some gen1 orange delta vises, but don't get much use lately, at least not on this cell.
Well if the jaws lift, then you're only clamping on a single point of contact.
And if it lifts when you're using the dovetail part, then you've lost all stability and you're gonna get vibration and chatter.
I have a 1st generation 5th axis vise that lifts and I never could figure out why the dovetail would always chatter.
Made my own dovetail jaws, took out the deflection from jaw lift and now holds parts like they are welded to the table.
Night and day difference.
Ok, edumacate me. If it's for a first op, from raw stock, what does it matter if the vise is slightly less precise, or lifts a hair? When it's tight it should be all locked up regardless.
What's the big attraction to self centering vises? I understand it's so your zero can be center of the stock or something? Who cares? guess maybe it makes sense to me if you're carving an indian head or a turbine blade out of an unknown sized blob of material. To me it seems like a fixed jaw vise would be more versatile since it ought to repeat better for 2nd ops.
I just bought one of the stubby orange 4th axis vises. I haven't used it yet but I also like the idea of being able to bias the part toward the back or front of the vise. In my future I'd like to be able to do some operations with short tools along the sides of the part and it seems like the serrated jaws ought to allow a little better access.
Placed an order for two of the 4x9s and accessories today. Looking forward to putting them to work. Thanks for everyone's input.
Do you have good luck with the ZPS system? I always preferred the ball-lock, but only because it APPEARS more rigid. No real-world experience to back that up. In addition, I have a tombstone with 12 of their ball lock receivers, so hopefully they don't completely do away with it.I'm waiting for Orange's self centering vise, I have enough of their products and my whole 4th axis set up is based on their ZPS system and I don't want to start mixing vises and set ups. I originally heard they were to be released in November but exchanged some messages with Eric the other day and he said everything is ready to go less the screw they are waiting on.
It's been great! I have no complaints, I use the ZPS system to fixture raw stock occasionally as well.Do you have good luck with the ZPS system? I always preferred the ball-lock, but only because it APPEARS more rigid. No real-world experience to back that up. In addition, I have a tombstone with 12 of their ball lock receivers, so hopefully they don't completely do away with it.
Oh wow. Do you push the roughing pretty hard on that part? I hope to order some of the centering deltas when they're released, but I'll have to do the ball lock because of the tombstone we have.It's been great! I have no complaints, I use the ZPS system to fixture raw stock occasionally as well.
I didn’t and don’t programmed my feeds and speeds any different using the ZPS on stock like this. I did step through this particular part just cause of the set up and my 4th axis at the time was an older/smaller style and I had to raise it up, I’ve since upgraded to a HRT210 and have no worries.Oh wow. Do you push the roughing pretty hard on that part? I hope to order some of the centering deltas when they're released, but I'll have to do the ball lock because of the tombstone we have.
Pete, its funny you post that pic. Here is my Speedio with a full Orange Vice setup. The ZPS on the 4th and the modular 6" vice lets me swap setups in about a minute. I do lots of similar size parts in small batches so the quick change helps a lot, as does not needing to constantly redo work offsets. I'm hoping to upgrade to the self centering to make programming first op even faster.That was exactly my situation. I don't know anything about Schunk stuff other than it's real pretty and real costly.
I guess most people and especially me look at things in relation to their particular work. I do a lot of strip parts and want to be able to be able to get to 3 sides of the part with most of the heavy milling done on the top. The side operations are lighter and not symmetrical. I want to be able to mount the vise as shown below. So, this is why I think being able to offset the jaws to one end of the vise is an advantage in being able to reach stuff a little better with small tools.
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Octane Workholding T-Slot covers. I have used them in my Fadal for over a year and now in my Brother. I have not had any corrosion problems, your coolant situation and mileage may vary. I love them.That’s nice! What are the blue things in the t slots? I need those bad.
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