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Thanks - good to know I'm in the right category. Here's the situation; I'm looking at two shapers for sale, both here in my small town (yes, very fortunate, I know.) Both sellers are friends of mine and they also are friends with each other. One machine is a Logan and the other is a Brodhead-Garrett J-line. Both are the 8" model. The Logan is single phase and the B-G is three phase. Not really an issue as I have a phase converter. I know that B-G bought the rights to Logan at some point and rebranded these shapers moving forward. The SN on the Logan begins with "12" and the only SN registry for Logan I can find starts with the numbers 13 in 1953, so this machine is probably older than 1953. The SN of the B-G machine is 685. I've been able to find no SN registry for the B-G, however it looks like Logan stopped making these machines under their name in 1966 so the B-G must be 1966 or newer.
B-G made several changes to the Logal model under their name:
1) Came with a heavier duty vise.
2) Provided a more efficient lubrication system to the variable-speed pulley shaft.
3) Table travel was about an inch more in both directions.
4) Two motor sizes, half and three quarter HP for both single and three phase models (haven't determined the HP rating of either of the machines in question yet.)
5) Provided a cover for the rear pulley system. Since B-G focused on school sales, safety was probably a priority.
Any additional information about these machines and their ages would be appreciated. All comments and questions welcome.
I think that, given that the two shapers are very similar, I would get the one in best mechanical conditions (e.g. less wear, less play in sliding block, gears, etc.) and that comes with most accessories, like tool holders, etc.
I am not very familiar with Logan shapers (I have seen and inspected a few Logan, not a single G-B, as far as I remember), therefore there could be something specific to this shapers that one need to watch for, and I am unaware of it. At least in theory, better lubrication and being newer would be a strong point in favor of the G-B but, after over half a century, what really counts is the actual wear (and, perhaps, things not mentioned about the G-B one could include switching to zinc alloys for some gears and parts).
Maybe you have seen the Logan Information on this site.
Logan Engineering Co. - Publication Reprints | VintageMachinery.org
There are some Catalogues and parts lists for an 8" shaper there.
While they may not support the shaper there may be some more information from this company that supports the lathes.
Logan Home Page
I think a member of the Logan family that ran this company was a member on this forum at one time .
I haven't seen any posts by him recently.
Perhaps someone else on this forum will remember more .
One thing to always check with shapers is the teeth on the bull gear where the load is taken.....generally all the wear is on less than 10 teeth....and most shapers you cant rotate the gear relative to the drive pin......The sliding block should be checked for wear ,as the slot in the arm....but this wear is fairly easily fixed .
I have a Logan 7" Shaper Serial#12S63. Fine little machine. The only literature I could could find was for the 8" and they are very similar. Here are a couple pics of mine doing real work. Cutting internal key to a dead shoulder and squaring a big cast iron block. The BG may have some upgraded features. Porter Cable is in the mix there too with the same style machine.
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Doug, That is a really nice looking Logan. It has a couple different features than mine. T-slots on the side of the table mine has a V groove for holding round stock. Also yours has the front support bracket on the table. Looks like the linkage is missing that regulates the cross feed. You can see what it looks like on the pic I added. The vice is original, maybe that machine has not many hours on it. They both look desirable.
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Just an FYI - Was able to take another look at the Brodhead- Garrett machine today. It has a Baldor motor and is the 3/4 HP version. The Logan has a 1/2 HP motor so I don't know how much more of an advantage the extra 1/4 HP is - maybe someone can shed some light on this? Was not able to see it in operation yet. No plug on cord and owner was not there today.
Was offered a package deal today on the Logan + a Delta 14" metal cutting bandsaw (nice bandsaw) - $1,000. Price on the Brodhead-Garrett is $1,000 for the shaper alone; possibly come down to $900 but that would be the bottom line.