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timeseeker

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Seems earth dodged a bullet a couple years back according to this story from an intense solar storm, I'm not a doomsdayer but If we had news of a solar storm headed this way is there anyway to protect the CNC machines or any machine for that matter,I don't have a faraday cage big enough and I don't think unplugging them would help?I guess if we lost power for a prolonged period of time my machines would be the least of my worries!

How a solar storm two years ago nearly caused a catastrophe on Earth
 

Clive603

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Long on supposition. Very short on facts. Its relatively trivial to calculate the order of magnitude and typical DV/DT at ground or antennae level from the solar storm and compare that to what typical components will stand. EMP damage takes pretty intense source, even weaponised systems are of limited range and area coverage is far less than the popular hysterisgreenwe'redoomed fanboys (and gals) would have you believe. Melting transformers due to unbounded earthing as suggested in a comment is just silly.

Real damage takes real energy. Concentrated energy and solar flares are distributed over huge areas. Northern lights are basically natures neon tube. Low energy, low vacuum, very pretty. Takes vastly more punch to do damage down at the bottom of a gravity well. Lightening manages it but that's many orders of magnitude more energy and highly concentrated to boot.

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adama

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Gotta remember, simply unplugging the machine from the grid would protect in in all but the absolute worst of situations, emp and solar storms rely on conductors collecting and delivering a fatal charge to the device, theres no magic, its just a high enough voltage to harm them. Trying to emp bomb a off and disconnected pc is magnitudes harder and requires massively more energy density in the field than one thats connected. Even one thats connected is pretty tuff, varistor's and a bunch of other parts in the power supply can short out and protect the typical pc from several-times normal line voltage events.

Power distribution and long phone lines are both great charge collectors, firstly there not shielded and secondly there really long and often suspended for vast distances in mid air. thats great for collecting a emp or solar storm charge. Yep it can indeed be enough to damage transformers just like any electronic device, there only insulated to a certain level, break the insulation down with high voltage and the magic smoke escapes.

Hence in all honesty in the event of a sever solar storm, best just turn all the breakers off and the same with machine disconnects. Insulate the machine as much as possible from the charge, whilst still keeping it grounded gives it the best chance of survival, juat like in a lightening event. But for your typical cnc in a typical industrial building with metal cladding and metal roof on a steel frame bonded to earth its going to do a pretty good job of being a Faraday cage to high power events short of a dedicated emp attack which often reallies on microwave radiation as its able to penetrate smaller holes than longer wave lengths to penetrate devices and cause harm.
 

sfriedberg

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Solar storms do most damage at the Earth's surface to long lines, either power distribution or (pre-optical fiber) telephone/telegraph. Also things like railroad rails can pick up a nasty current. Most secondary damage is to equipment directly connected to these long lines, due to high induced voltages.

Satellites in orbit, on the other hand, will get a righteous zapping. Quite probably lethal hazards for any living creature on a space station.

Take the same precautions you would for nearby lightning strikes, and your CNC gear will come through a major solar flare without much trouble. adama's advice is good.

Should add that, by sheer good luck, we've only seen smaller solar storms since the 1859 Carrington event. But the Carrington event was so intense that it set some telegraph offices on fire. In the ensuing 155 years, the world has become much more heavily wired and thus more vulnerable to this kind of event The March 1989 storm was much less intense, but it collapsed a good chuck of the North American power grid.
 

bic

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off topic a bit, but I have read of people sleeping in Faraday Cages; seems some are more sensitive to EMR . Dunno if it works to help improve sleep though.
 
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timeseeker

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That solar storm a couple years back they say was at least as strong as the one back in 1859 but the only difference is it missed,I'd rather be safe than sorry and have never given the matter much thought until I read that story.My shop is all metal, I've had a few big lightening strikes in the trees around the shop before so I do as you say Adama, when I know we have a big thunder storm coming I disconnect what I can and pull the breakers on the rest.
 

Bill D

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So if a big electrical storm is coming disconnect the power into the machines. What about the ground leads? those as per NEC are not switched and must be connected at all times. Would the ground build up any charge or would it bleed any voltage off before it builds up.
Bill D.
 

sfriedberg

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Would the ground build up any charge or would it bleed any voltage off before it builds up.
This may sound a bit simple, but it's all relative. If the bulk area around your shop picks up a charge, everything's at the same potential so there's no current flow. Expect equipment grounding conductors to pose less of a problem during a solar storm than they do during a thunderstorm with lightning. And they aren't noted for being a major source of trouble during lightning events.
 








 
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