Stick welder for bad weather

[Garwood]

I didn't have my xmt304 or suitcase feeder when I built my shop. I had a POS Lincoln 256 which was not going in the lift with me.

Even today I would prefer to use 7014 for this. My xmt wire feed setup is a very expensive kit. I wouldn't take it out in pouring rain unless the job paid the replacement value.

I would stick weld it with 7014. 7014 is tough stuff and fast. 7018 is slow and impossible in pouring rain. A stick stinger on 100' of 2/0 copper is way more flexible and portable than a feeder. I really do think it would be faster for erecting a building structure. You're constantly up-down-up-down.

 

[john.k]

Anyhoo,why weld in the rain......the square plastic shelters with four legs are under $100 ,and you would be under cover ,of sorts...........this is another advantage of an old crane.....you can have a portable shelter over where you work ,and move it away when access is needed.

 

[Strostkovy]

Anyhoo,why weld in the rain......the square plastic shelters with four legs are under $100 ,and you would be under cover ,of sorts...........this is another advantage of an old crane.....you can have a portable shelter over where you work ,and move it away when access is needed.

I'd probably use one forklift to move material and the other forklift can just be a mobile cantilevered easy up.

 

[farmersamm]

I can't imagine that any inspector would like to see anything but 7018, or one of the seismically rated, lo-hy, self shielded flux core wires.

 

[john.k]

Out here ,once the plans are approved (qualified engineer certification) by the council,there will be no inspection until completion,when the certifier will be more interested if the plumbing and drainage is to code and only have a quick check inside of material sizes etc...........residential structures are far more strictly controlled ,with multiple compliance inspections during construction.

 

[john.k]

The only person to enforce welding standards will be the owner ,or his agent,the construction manager.......in any case,if 80 ft frames are erected with two forklifts ,Id say the welds will be well tested .......assuming they arent Hyster 520s

 

[Garwood]

I can't imagine that any inspector would like to see anything but 7018, or one of the seismically rated, lo-hy, self shielded flux core wires.

What's an inspector?

 

[john.k]

An inspector is like an expert,but is under no pressure.

 

[Garwood]

An inspector is like an expert,but is under no pressure.

John, I figured if someone is building a steel building in the pouring rain with a stick welder and doesn't have a telehandler or crane they probably are not having any inspections done either.

 

[DDoug]

John, I figured if someone is building a steel building in the pouring rain with a stick welder and doesn't have a telehandler or crane they probably are not having any inspections done either.

You forgot:
5. In the dark

 

[Rob F.]

An inspector is like an expert,but is under no pressure.

No accountability either...

 

[triumph406]

I was out in the Palm Springs for the Desert-X art installations.

The first one going east on the 10 is the 'Sitting Man' made from a stack of containers.

I was out with my buddy, we're both engineers, and we both do stress analysis once in a while. And being engineers were curious how the whole she-bang was attached together. Well it appeared to have been welded with angles and plates, and welds that looked like slapped on pigeon shit. It would have been interesting to know which rod they used,.

We talked to somebody who had told us that the costruction had been 'engineered'. maybe so, but nobody told the welder. These were the best connections we could see.on the whole installation. The saving grace is the whole assembly is aligned with the wind that comes down the valley. and it can blow like a mfer there.

And unlike Oregon would not likely have been welded under driving rain. It looked like it was stick welded thru-out (for obvious reasons), and for the life of me can't figure out why the welds and metal around the welds weren't painted for protection.

 

[plastikdreams]

I was out in the Palm Springs for the Desert-X art installations.

The first one going east on the 10 is the 'Sitting Man' made from a stack of containers.

I was out with my buddy, we're both engineers, and we both do stress analysis once in a while. And being engineers were curious how the whole she-bang was attached together. Well it appeared to have been welded with angles and plates, and welds that looked like slapped on pigeon shit. It would have been interesting to know which rod they used,.

We talked to somebody who had told us that the costruction had been 'engineered'. maybe so, but nobody told the welder. These were the best connections we could see.on the whole installation. The saving grace is the whole assembly is aligned with the wind that comes down the valley. and it can blow like a mfer there.

And unlike Oregon would not likely have been welded under driving rain. It looked like it was stick welded thru-out (for obvious reasons), and for the life of me can't figure out why the welds and metal around the welds weren't painted for protection.




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Hey, maybe they didn't chip the slag lolol

 

[triumph406]

Hey, maybe they didn't chip the slag lolol

LOL entirely possible.

My neighbour does outdoor structural stick welding in various positions, he uses 6010/6011 for various positions, and 7024 for welding in the flat. 6010/6011 needs the slag to be removed mechanically, the 7024, the slag peels off behind the weld.

A lot of his welds are holding up the John Wayne Terminal, so they appear to be ok

 

[john.k]

All I can say is containers must be real cheap in USA......there is also the border wall of 40 ft containers ........the US gubmint is paying millions to have it removed...........all Id have to do here is put up a tiny sign on a dirt road "Free 40ft containers"..and theyd all be gone in a week.

 

[triumph406]

All I can say is containers must be real cheap in USA......there is also the border wall of 40 ft containers ........the US gubmint is paying millions to have it removed...........all Id have to do here is put up a tiny sign on a dirt road "Free 40ft containers"..and theyd all be gone in a week.

They were donated by the Union Pacific Rail Line. On whose land it was built

 

[john.k]

Here ,a container gets blown out or crushed one end ,its cut down to 8ft long,closed in and sold as a site shed ......all the container hires have these sheds .

 

[farmersamm]

From what I've read.................there's no engineered truss for the "80' clear span". Which is patently stupid. Which also leads one to believe that there's no WP. Another idiot trap.

So..............there's absolutely nothing wrong with the other-than-smart suggestions for consumables.

Weld on boys!!!!!! LOL

 

[john.k]

I used to take the truck to a place that had the most incredible clear span with rolled gal section C Purlins .......You literally couldnt believe such a span with rolled purlin shape ...yeah ,I know its engineered section,but I d reckon it was at least 80ft ,maybe more........now Ive seen plenty of big span with H section uni beam,the sandblasters big shed was 100 ft span with welded beam construction.............the lightest frame Ive seen was the old jam factory shed at Zillmere ,the whole building was framed in 2"OD pipe with 1/2" zig zag ,and at least 60ft span. Built in the 1920s ,lasted until the old jam factory was sold for houses.and demolished in the 80s.

 

[Garwood]

From what I've read.................there's no engineered truss for the "80' clear span". Which is patently stupid. Which also leads one to believe that there's no WP. Another idiot trap.

So..............there's absolutely nothing wrong with the other-than-smart suggestions for consumables.

Weld on boys!!!!!! LOL

Have you ever reverse engineered a red iron building structure and compared it to what you'd build using beams and basic engineering formula for beam section and deflection?

Most red iron buildings are real flimsy. The "engineering " part is to make them as cheap as possible.

Design for 1000 psf ground pressure. Design for 1/360 max deflection with max snow and structure loads. Use the 1/24 beam height rule- beam height is atleast 1/24th of the span.

To make an 80' span you can just buy 80' beams. This is Oregon. We haul 120' trees to the pole mills everyday.