Struggle Finding New Employees.

[Micmac1]

The fact that the OP liked posts complaining about govt benefits for the unemployed and none of the posts expressing points about the completely different dynamics facing young workers today tells me quite a bit about why he's having difficulty hiring.

Which post? because I have not commented or liked anything (at least intentionally) regarding gov benefits. If I could remove the hijack replies about gov benefits I would.

EDIT

IF your referring to the one post i liked from ttrager, he talked about hiring someone and on start date no call no show..... reason for like was
we just ran into this two weeks ago, hired a guy at $5/hr more than his current job, plus he lives 10 minutes away, his other job was 35 min drive. On start date no call no show, a week later he calls says they offered him an extra $5 above our offer (se got a $10/hr raise) to stay and he would not be making the jump. Not exact situation as ttrager but the type of employee we are trying to hire i doubt would make anywhere near in gov benifits what they would here.

 

[Maxim]

All the problems of economics were solved a long time ago. libiralism, ie global open trade, is the root of all these problems. Maybe instead of complaining
that young people don't want to be treated like third world slaves we could do what was done before.

The answers are always Protectionist Nationalist Economics

Collapsing housing prices, enacting high tariffs and redirecting investment to useful things would be a good first step.

 

[CarbideBob]

What do you think "manufacturing engineers" are really being hired for these days.....

Good question.
Sitting with a bunch of manufacturing and process engineers.
One says "When was the last time you did any actual engineering at this job?".....

 

[DDoug]

Good question.
Sitting with a bunch of manufacturing and process engineers.
One says "When was the last time you did any actual engineering at this job?".....

I have worked with welding engineers in the past that....wait for it...could "Actually Weld".
Great group of guys.
New guy, arrogant as all get out...telling me I can't design, I can't draw, I can't design a weld joint, on and on....

After working with this wanker for a few months, I've come to the conclusion that this "Welding Engineer" has never struck an arc in his life ......

 

[john.k]

The engineer at my last job was a really nice guy ,and yes ,he could weld .....he was 'pencilled in' to take over as manager ,even after he crashed the whole IT system with Russian porn..........all the computers ,server etc were simply binned ,new stuff bought ...........the sad part is he had to disappear ahead of the cops coming ........he got a job as a project engineer in the Emirates ,asked me to join him ,but I was too old for that kind of thing.

 

[William Payne]

The engineer at my last job was a really nice guy ,and yes ,he could weld .....he was 'pencilled in' to take over as manager ,even after he crashed the whole IT system with Russian porn..........all the computers ,server etc were simply binned ,new stuff bought ...........the sad part is he had to disappear ahead of the cops coming ......

How on earth did he do that? This must have been on a scale far beyond what I am thinking for cops to be involved.

 

[john.k]

I dont want to blacken his name ...he was a nice guy .....and in my opinion,looking at images on a screen doesnt make you a criminal ....its the people who put the images there are the criminals .......mostly shielded by regimes such as Putins.

 

[William Payne]

I dont want to blacken his name ...he was a nice guy .....and in my opinion,looking at images on a screen doesnt make you a criminal ....its the people who put the images there are the criminals .......mostly shielded by regimes such as Putins.

Maybe don't look up that stuff on work computers haha.

 

[Hightemp]

Which post? because I have not commented or liked anything (at least intentionally) regarding gov benefits. If I could remove the hijack replies about gov benefits I would.

EDIT

IF your referring to the one post i liked from ttrager, he talked about hiring someone and on start date no call no show..... reason for like was
we just ran into this two weeks ago, hired a guy at $5/hr more than his current job, plus he lives 10 minutes away, his other job was 35 min drive. On start date no call no show, a week later he calls says they offered him an extra $5 above our offer (se got a $10/hr raise) to stay and he would not be making the jump. Not exact situation as ttrager but the type of employee we are trying to hire i doubt would make anywhere near in gov benifits what they would here.

Here's the conclusion paragraph of the post you liked:

"In the end I think a good portion of the problem is the government has incentivized NOT going to work. I could be wrong here, but that's my sense."

And then there were multiple excellent posts giving firs-hand perspectives on the challenges workers face today. And those posts were ignored.

Now, you may be a good boss. Your shop sounds pretty good. But with the limited data we have, things like the above give insight that can't really be ignored.

 

[john.k]

I was a terrible boss ......I cant stand people breaking stuff of mine,or doing the wrong thing through carelessness. .........i knew Id be a terrible boss,so on the ocassions Ive had employees ,they were always highly competent and reliable people that I knew well. ...........notice I didnt say trustworthy .

 

[john.k]

Just watched a womens (and gays) ABC panel show on telly.......five people about the housing crisis ......one of the guys is actually an immigrant doctor ,and hes on about unaffordable rents ........he lets slip his wife is also a doctor .....so IMHO $1 million a year joint income ........doctors here refuse to work directly for hospitals ,and instead are with doctor owned corporations to gain tax benefits ,massive tax benefits on a $500k income.........and this guy is on about the housing/rent crisis?

 

[gustafson]

All the problems of economics were solved a long time ago. libiralism, ie global open trade, is the root of all these problems. Maybe instead of complaining
that young people don't want to be treated like third world slaves we could do what was done before.

The answers are always Protectionist Nationalist Economics

Collapsing housing prices, enacting high tariffs and redirecting investment to useful things would be a good first step.

'Free trade' was not a primarily 'liberal' idea although both parties seem more enamored of it than they probably should be

 

[john.k]

Free trade seemed like a good idea when the first world empires used to get raw materials from the third world, ,manufacture goods and send them out to a world of customers ( alot of whom wernt allowed to have factories by colonial masters.).

 

[cnctoolcat]

Any nation's economy is a fine balance, and operates on the razor's edge of stability. Any external disruption, and economic chaos can occur.

In the case of the US economy, it was steaming along in 2019 about as well as ever in history: strong growth, no inflation, low interest rates, jobs available, companies doing well.

Then along comes Covid. Mandatory lockdowns. Then the government starts raining-down printed money...first one President, then the next.

And there goes your razor's edge of stability in the economy...

ToolCat

 

[john.k]

Another worrying phenomenon here .....we have teens running wild with no penalties for crimes like car stealing and house breaking.......leading to all the harmless teens carrying big knives and stabbing random people .........now large numbers of school students refusing to go to school,because its cool to miss school.

 

[ttrager]

The fact that the OP liked posts complaining about govt benefits for the unemployed and none of the posts expressing points about the completely different dynamics facing young workers today tells me quite a bit about why he's having difficulty hiring.

Honestly, this doesn't make a lot of sense.

I re-read the OPS post. He described the (reasonable) steps he's been taking to hire someone. He describes the working conditions (good), and the fact most of the people have stayed and are happy.

He hasn't modified his business practices or hiring or company environment to the negative because of some kind of mythical bias against government policies.

He was looking for feedback from others about the problem. Your "observation" would only make sense if he was engaging in wrong-action in the workplace for an undisclosed reason that related to a bad attitude about The Government.

Being skeptical about government benefits and how they can negatively affect the economy and workforce is a perfectly reasonable suspicion that is a separate issue from . . . "why he's having difficulty hiring", unless he's let that affect what he's actually doing. If he's following smart, reasonable practice in trying to hire, and if he's got a good job environment, the one has nothing to do with the other.

Have we assumed he's not read the other posts he's not "Liked"? Are we assuming he only reads and considers posts he bothers to Like?

We have no way to clearly understand why any of us Like a post. It could be for a single point made in a post, the whole post, or anything in between. Making a claim about why he's having problems hiring people by what posts he likes while at the same time ignoring what he's explicitly outlined in what he's DOING to hire people makes no sense.

"Likes" on a forum are Ref Only for all sorts of good reasons, not the least of which is you can't know, exactly, what point(s) in a post caused the Like.

 

[Micmac1]

Honestly, this doesn't make a lot of sense.

I re-read the OPS post. He described the (reasonable) steps he's been taking to hire someone. He describes the working conditions (good), and the fact most of the people have stayed and are happy.

He hasn't modified his business practices or hiring or company environment to the negative because of some kind of mythical bias against government policies.

He was looking for feedback from others about the problem. Your "observation" would only make sense if he was engaging in wrong-action in the workplace for an undisclosed reason that related to a bad attitude about The Government.

Being skeptical about government benefits and how they can negatively affect the economy and workforce is a perfectly reasonable suspicion that is a separate issue from . . . "why he's having difficulty hiring", unless he's let that affect what he's actually doing. If he's following smart, reasonable practice in trying to hire, and if he's got a good job environment, the one has nothing to do with the other.

Have we assumed he's not read the other posts he's not "Liked"? Are we assuming he only reads and considers posts he bothers to Like?

We have no way to clearly understand why any of us Like a post. It could be for a single point made in a post, the whole post, or anything in between. Making a claim about why he's having problems hiring people by what posts he likes while at the same time ignoring what he's explicitly outlined in what he's DOING to hire people makes no sense.

"Likes" on a forum are Ref Only for all sorts of good reasons, not the least of which is you can't know, exactly, what point(s) in a post caused the Like.

Exactly. Although I am not convinced the problem is because of government benefits (i would say skilled laborers with good wages would not have a huge effect by this) however i can see where the lower pay scale and unskilled labor jobs would. I am simply looking for ideas on what has worked for others finding skilled labor to try something out of the box to bring in good talent. There were a ton of posts in this thread the last few days, i honestly had not had time to look thru graphs and statistics and everything else that was posted. There has been some good information posted and i am using all of it to help revise our hiring process, as far as job postings, word of mouth, advertisement, wages, incentives etc go.

 

[john.k]

Lies ,.damn lies ,and statistics............now we can add the endless production of graphs where a simple tweak of the axes can make the truth look like a lie and a lie look like the truth......Is there any truth any more?.......I dont think so ,just an endless flood of lies..

 

[Seesecurity]

Just watched a womens (and gays) ABC panel show on telly.......five people about the housing crisis ......one of the guys is actually an immigrant doctor ,and hes on about unaffordable rents ........he lets slip his wife is also a doctor .....so IMHO $1 million a year joint income ........doctors here refuse to work directly for hospitals ,and instead are with doctor owned corporations to gain tax benefits ,massive tax benefits on a $500k income.........and this guy is on about the housing/rent crisis?

Just because having affordable rents doesn't affect you directly doesn't mean you can't talk about them. Doesn't affect me but it pisses me off that my kids can't get decent accommodation for reasonable money...

 

[Bondo]

Update 9 days later

That guy quit so he can go back to a low paying job. Even stated he will miss the hours and pay.


You just can't fix stupid.