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Thought provoking video regarding automakers worldwide

William Payne

Aluminum
Joined
May 29, 2016
Somewhere along the line I think certain aspects of society have instigated this thought that if something is bad it should be banned (trust me living in New Zealand with governments we have had I’ve seen it).

I don’t agree with that concept at all. My logic is more that humanity should use its brainpower to over a realistic period of time find ways to transition to better things.

But be careful not to rush into things that aren’t ready.
 

Scottl

Diamond
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Location
Eastern Massachusetts, USA
I don't see anything from him with personal advice on it's actual effectiveness. Links to reports don't cut it at 11:00 pm on an icy road in feb, at -20f.
Maybe he would like to ban salt so the ambulance can't get thru to save him, or a fire truck to rescue him.
I don't read his posts as banning salt but rather encouraging road departments to use CMA whenever possible, as many states already do. Sprayed on a dry road before a storm it is extremely effective at preventing ice and allows plows to do a better job.

Over the years I've spent considerable time and money repairing rust damage on vehicles and even damage to bluestone paving at the house cause by the city truck dumping a pile of salt on the dry road outside, which passing vehicles churn into a dust cloud that gets into everything. They've only recently switched to CMA or brine.

Here is my state's explanation of de-icing treatments. Note that salt is the cheapest option.

 

CAMasochism

Hot Rolled
Joined
Jun 6, 2019
Location
DFW, Texas
Can we just forget this discussion. All I was broaching was the idea of alternative options not banning anything outright. Who in their right mind would ban something before finding a viable alternative.

You'll just have to learn when to ignore Doug. He is VERY highly opinionated and thinks highly of his opinions. While I tend to agree with him most of the time, he could do with out coming off as an overly aggressive asshole.

It's why he, Milland, and Rozen are so entertaining. Same personality, different ends of the spectrum.
 

Thunderjet

Hot Rolled
Joined
Jun 24, 2019
He is VERY highly opinionated and thinks highly of his opinions. He could do with out coming off as an overly aggressive asshole.

Oh, He's a real unicorn.

I mean it's not like there's a ton of overly opinionated assholes here to deal with regularly.:rolleyes5:
 

Big B

Diamond
Joined
Jun 26, 2009
Location
Michigan, USA
I don't see anything from him with personal advice on it's actual effectiveness. Links to reports don't cut it at 11:00 pm on an icy road in feb, at -20f.
Maybe he would like to ban salt so the ambulance can't get thru to save him, or a fire truck to rescue him.
The salt that we use in Michigan doesn't work at 20 below zero F so what's your point?
 

Thunderjet

Hot Rolled
Joined
Jun 24, 2019
They've only recently switched to CMA or brine.

Here is my state's explanation of de-icing treatments. Note that salt is the cheapest option.

Out here they use beet juice and salt.....When they feel like it.

The usual M.O. locally is to wait until the snow stops, THEN you plow/treat the roads.

Folks out here don't know how to drive in snow/ice. They think if they have an Escalade they have magical powers of braking and traction, therefore, they can drive 70 MPH all the time.

That is the ONLY thing I miss about living in Michigan. Folks know how to drive in the snow.

I'm unaware of the CMA thingy, but it sounds interesting. How long does it last after applied?
 

Freedommachine

Hot Rolled
Joined
May 13, 2020
Can we just forget this discussion. All I was broaching was the idea of alternative options not banning anything outright. Who in their right mind would ban something before finding a viable alternative.

It’s like power. I hope New Zealand oneday opens up the idea of going nuclear as an alternative to our coal plant and to generate more power than our “renewable” options but it would be stupid to ban coal without reliable alternatives.

That is the biggest problem I have with EV’s not the concept of an EV but that the infrastructure upgrades should be pursued before any talk of banning ICE options.

It’s like building a cargo ship without having a dock to load and unload it. Not a smart idea.

Well said! I used to ponder this question to no end. I still don't get why otherwise intelligent people would advocate cutting off their nose to spite their face in this instance.

For those who have authority to make decisions, the fact is that they just don't care. Progress is progress and collateral damage is acceptable.

Btw... I've been a life long resident of northeastern Ohio and I'm with you on the road salt. If a better option exists, we need to use it. I've been wrenching on old rusty junk my whole life. I'm tired of losing vehicles I actually enjoy driving due to the use of road salt.
 

Scottl

Diamond
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Location
Eastern Massachusetts, USA
Having owned several Japanese vehicles in addition to mostly American ones I think it is clear why so many are "turning Japanese" and not going back. It's not just initial quality but also what happens as the vehicle ages and replacement OEM parts are needed. The most recent one had only ONE recall in 15 years and that was for the Takata airbags so commonly used in multiple brands.
 

hanermo

Titanium
Joined
Sep 28, 2009
Location
barcelona, spain
Today, 9/2022, at the moment, atm, electric cars from tsla are beginning to use the new higher-density 4680 battery cell format.
This is about 5-10-20% better depending on how you measure volume, cost, mass, or longevity.
The 1 million 4680 cells produced milestone was just breached.

Within a medium timeline of 1-2 years the new cells will be a staple, and will reduce EV battery production costs by about 10-20% / total power.
Trending 20%, because chemistry advances and cell-line production advances and dry-cell-production benefits will also roll in to some extent.

This makes EV vehicles the nr 1 choice for about 90% of the OECD countries.
 








 
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