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Mike1974

Diamond
Joined
Nov 5, 2014
Location
Tampa area
I have to say the HR department a couple jobs ago did an AWESOME job with my temp disability from being in the ICU in a coma. They contacted my wife, helped her with paperwork, etc. Other than that, it was pretty much take care of yourself via their intranet portals...
 

CarbideBob

Diamond
Joined
Jan 14, 2007
Location
Flushing/Flint, Michigan
The union I worked in always elected officers who were career politicians, liars, and thieves.
That is sad.
While it is the job of a union rep to be the lawyer for the defended I have found most to be reasonable people.
Of course they are opinionated. For sure they will try to twist facts or views to their side. That is the job and one wants to be at your job.
Liars, thieves, crooks... not seen so much of that more than ordinary elsewhere in business.
Never actually been in a union. More the other side of the fence and no shortage of "career politicians, liars, and thieves" there.
I have battled the UAW so many times and pain. Yet I respect it and it's members, reps and leaders.
First thing as getting a supervisor job in a UAW shop was "Who is my committeeman and how do I meet him/her".
Known darn well that we would cross swords often. Each doing a job.

Dad said when we where big that the people did a union thing he would just shut down and puck them all.
I did not get that. Later I would sort of like being management side in a union shop.
I have no idea which side I am on.
Bob
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
"We re gain tae clase thus undustry dane!"......pommy voices stirring trouble coming up to union election....moderate unions was only blacking,maybe a car vandalism......more extreme was bashings,kidnappings ,arson,murder.......the Ships Painter and Dockers Union was a criminal group more powerful than the Australian Navy.......union officials murdered in power struggles....The maritime unions hold this country to ransom....half million to one million wages ,closed shop,involvement in big time smuggling....ice and heroin in ton lots.
 

LockNut

Stainless
Joined
Jan 6, 2007
Location
Bergen County
In 1982 I was working in an aerospace job shop in Chicago when they tried to organize, with the IAM as the union who was going to represent us. Well, I got fired for going to an off-site organizing meeting. Off site meeting. The guy organizing us from the IAM told me there was nothing he could do since we had no union as of yet. But, he did get me a job at Boyar-Schultz, the surface grinder company. great company to work for at the . I did have some minor issues with the union concerning another, well protected employee but in all I enjoyed working there.
So, come 1984 and copies of our machines were showing up from Japan and China and the company was well concerned. This was happening at the same time the contract was being renegotiated. The company explained very succinctly that there was no more money at this time, all things considered, and stated that they will move the company if the union voted to strike. "You're bluffing" was the cry at the time. The union voted to strike and two weeks later we ALL got walking papers. The company moved to Southern Illinois and nobody was asked to move with them, not even management. My manager at the time got me a job at a mold shop he knew the owners of and I never looked back and never worked in a union shop ever again.

Paul
 

camscan

Titanium
Joined
Sep 5, 2011
Location
Norfolk
"We re gain tae clase thus undustry dane!"......pommy voices stirring trouble coming up to union election....moderate unions was only blacking,maybe a car vandalism......more extreme was bashings,kidnappings ,arson,murder.......the Ships Painter and Dockers Union was a criminal group more powerful than the Australian Navy.......union officials murdered in power struggles....The maritime unions hold this country to ransom....half million to one million wages ,closed shop,involvement in big time smuggling....ice and heroin in ton lots.

If he spoke the way you have written that then he was not a Pom he was Scottish. A whole new can of worms.
 

Big B

Diamond
Joined
Jun 26, 2009
Location
Michigan, USA
That is sad.
While it is the job of a union rep to be the lawyer for the defended I have found most to be reasonable people.
Of course they are opinionated. For sure they will try to twist facts or views to their side. That is the job and one wants to be at your job.
Liars, thieves, crooks... not seen so much of that more than ordinary elsewhere in business.
Never actually been in a union. More the other side of the fence and no shortage of "career politicians, liars, and thieves" there.
I have battled the UAW so many times and pain. Yet I respect it and it's members, reps and leaders.
First thing as getting a supervisor job in a UAW shop was "Who is my committeeman and how do I meet him/her".
Known darn well that we would cross swords often. Each doing a job.

Dad said when we where big that the people did a union thing he would just shut down and puck them all.
I did not get that. Later I would sort of like being management side in a union shop.
I have no idea which side I am on.
Bob

It sounds to me like you are/were on the right side of the union/mgt. thing. Neither side is always right and I say this based on three decades of experience.
 

jscpm

Titanium
Joined
May 4, 2010
Location
Cambridge, MA
Trailer for sale or rent
Rooms to let, 50 cents
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain't got no cigarettes

Ah, but two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by 12 four-bit room
I'm a man of means, by no means
King of the road

Third boxcar, midnight train
Destination: Bangor, Maine
Old worn out suit and shoes
I don't pay no union dues

I smoke, old stogies I have found
Short, but not too big around
I'm a man of means, by no means
King of the road
 

ManicMetalBasher

Hot Rolled
Joined
Feb 1, 2014
Location
Midlands UK
c40 years I worked in a unionised factory for one day.

The company I worked for sent some defective parts to the factory, which had a production line and needed the parts rectified PDQ.

Only a simple repair. Bright and early the next day we turned up at the factory gate in a crewcab loaded with tools and parts.
We never got through the gate.
The union had learnt that non union members would be working in the factory and threatened to strike.
The union officers had a "solution" for the management, union staff would rectify the parts, at a special "negotiated" overtime rate.
My employer would then receive a large, unwelcome, invoice.

This "solution" was imaginary, the fault was in some special components, which the factory could not provide.
Eventually the factory management informed us that our employer wanted us to return to base, no mobile phones then.

Bright and early the following day we turned up again at the factory gate. We were told that we would not be welcomed by the union members.
An area had been reserved for the rectification work, which we were not to leave unless it was to visit the lavatory, in which case all four of us were to go together.

Our presence was totally ignored by the comrades. Job done and signed off by the management, we packed the equipment back in the pickup and drove away.
At least we would have done if all its tyres had not been slashed!
 

Scottl

Diamond
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Location
Eastern Massachusetts, USA
Both types have their advantages.

Number one advantage of union shop is the pension. Number one drawback is that seniority more than talent controls advancement and a talented young person MIGHT rise faster in the non-union shop.

It all depends on the shop owners AND the employee. No magic bullet either way.
 

SteelrFn

Stainless
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
It sounds to me like you are/were on the right side of the union/mgt. thing. Neither side is always right and I say this based on three decades of experience.

He used to be a forty year journeyman, in other posts, this must be a case of the Benjamin Buttons
 

Freedommachine

Stainless
Joined
May 13, 2020
They had their purpose before government regulations protected workers. That purpose has long since passed.

I think unions have renewed there purpose in that regard lately.

I completely agree with your comment about being a hindrance to productivity and personal growth though.

The biggest problem I've noticed in union shops is a lack of personal accountability.

A union should arrive for high quality membership. If a member is proven to be unqualified for their job class, it should be the union's position to find him something else to do - or worst case, let him go.

I have seen multiple examples where a guy is shitty to his brothers; leaving all the set up and deburr work for the back shifts, scraping parts, crashing the machine, ect. They always have someone else to blame and the stewards always defend them.

Supervisors always look for path of least resistance so they ignore people like that and push all the critical tasks off to another shift who will actually do it. When 3 shifts are all qualified to do the same job, all 3 guys must be held accountable to do the work.

• 2 years UAW
• 8 years [redacted] Still a member, rather not dox myself
 

standardparts

Diamond
Joined
Mar 26, 2019
I didn't know that you lost your journeyman status when you retire.

Hey sweeper guy, grab your broom. You missed a spot over there.

Well they can't take your journeyman card away I guess but unless your paying dues the BA ain't gonna answer your calls unless you get reinstated. Besides...you were a "journeyman" in a UAW parts plant which means you would be hard pressed to even get an interview based on you narrow field of experience and age.

Like most---face the fact that your days of grifting in a shop are long behind you...even as a sweeper.
 








 
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