Union vs non union shops...

[Freedommachine]

He didn't say that he was hoping to see US Steel build six steel mills. He said they ARE building them with no basis for it. Huge difference there. Haven't you ever watched him give a speech? He just makes shit up on the fly with no regard to the truth at all.

In an effort to have a honest conversation; I would have to agree with the premise of your argument. Yes, Donald Trump had a tendency to exaggerate and make definitive statements that didn't always pan out.

I tend to view many of these situations through a similar lense to what CarbideBob described. Trump is an entrepreneur, a business man. He is brash, outspoken and loud - we didn't hire him to be our caretaker. We hired him to cut fence and sort shit out.

He spoke to Americans in the same manner I imagine he would speak to a board of executive's. He delivered information that he believed genuine based on information he received, often before things were "officially complete". When he would exaggerate, it was generally to boost morale or voter support.

Was he perfect?
No of course not.

Was his intent to salvage American sovereignty genuine?
I cannot find any information to prove otherwise.

First and foremost we should judge our politicians on how they impact our lives directly (with the media tuned out). A threat to liberty or not? More taxes or less? That sort of thing.

A good politician rewards good and punishes evil. They work to remove obsticles for liberty in all things.
A bad politician calls you a racist if you don't agree with them. They attempt to strip away your individual sovereignty because your safety is their #1 priority and they know best. Red, Blue, purple, I don't much care lol.

Anyway...isn't this thread supposed to be about unions? My dues are $68 a month! Health insurance is darn good though and only $28 a month so I can't complain too much.

 

[Freedommachine]

Kelloggs cereal announces it will replace 1400 striking union worker in 4 plants. Gonna be a great holiday season.

Kellogg’s Goes Woke While Its Workers Go Broke | Frontpagemag

Another side to every story

 

[standardparts]

Kellogg’s Goes Woke While Its Workers Go Broke | Frontpagemag

Another side to every story

Kelloggs has plenty of low cost labor to replace it's union workers thanks to Joe Biden. The union with it's members dues endorsed Joe Biden for President. Elections have consequences.

 

[standardparts]

OK Scrooge. We get it. Green with envy.

No envy. More like amusement that the workers allowed thier union to support Joe Biden who's allowing so much cheap labor into the country. Snap-Crackle-Pop Kiss your union job bye-bye!

 

[Freedommachine]

Kelloggs has plenty of low cost labor to replace it's union workers thanks to Joe Biden. The union with it's members dues endorsed Joe Biden for President. Elections have consequences.

BCTGM | The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union | BCTGM International Union Endorses Joe Biden for President of the United States

BCTGM | The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union | Hillary Clinton Issues Statement on the BCTGM’s Endorsement

Humm...reap what they sow then I suppose. Sad but verifiably true. Kind of hard to argue the facts from their own site.

Still, Kellogg's is a woke garbage company.

 

[standardparts]

BCTGM | The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union | BCTGM International Union Endorses Joe Biden for President of the United States

BCTGM | The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union | Hillary Clinton Issues Statement on the BCTGM’s Endorsement

Humm...reap what they sow then I suppose. Sad but verifiably true. Kind of hard to argue the facts from their own site.

Still, Kellogg's is a woke garbage company.

Agree about Kelloggs but other companies are no doubt watching and will be doing the same thing.

 

[Big B]

Agree about Kelloggs but other companies are no doubt watching and will be doing the same thing.

Other companies have been doing it as long as there have been unions.

 

[standardparts]

Other companies have been doing it as long as there have been unions.

Now the companies will be aided by the Biden Administration with unlimited supply of cheap labor subsidized courtesy of the taxpayers. A reminder--- Delphi was broken up with the loss of over 100,000 UAW jobs under terms set down by the Obama Administration and those workers got a golden parachute courtesy of the taxpayers...But youknow that Big B don't you?


Biden was VP back then. Expect more of the same. Manufacturers can roll back wages, taxpayers will be on the hook for benefits, and the wealthy owners will smile.

Why should a company spend time and money sending operations out of the country to use cheap labor when Joe Biden will allow the cheap labor to come here by the millions?

Fuck Joe Biden

 

[Big B]

Now the companies will be aided by the Biden Administration with unlimited supply of cheap labor subsidized courtesy of the taxpayers. A reminder--- Delphi was broken up with the loss of over 100,000 UAW jobs under terms set down by the Obama Administration and those workers got a golden parachute courtesy of the taxpayers...But youknow that Big B don't you?


Biden was VP back then. Expect more of the same. Manufacturers can roll back wages, taxpayers will be on the hook for benefits, and the wealthy owners will smile.

Why should a company spend time and money sending operations out of the country to use cheap labor when Joe Biden will allow the cheap labor to come here by the millions?

Fuck Joe Biden

Does it look to you like we have too much labor in the USA? Maybe we should be deporting everyone that isn't an American Indian.

LETS GO BANNON! (to prison of course)

 

[standardparts]

Does it look to you like we have too much labor in the USA? Maybe we should be deporting everyone that isn't an American Indian.

LETS GO BANNON! (to prison of course)

Was just an opinion regarding some of the Obama-Biden era decisions involving organized labor and the UAW bailout. As far as massive numbers of unskilled entering the U,S. it should be obvious, even to you, it will not result in higher wages and increased costs of social welfare will be born by the average taxpayer.

 

[Freedommachine]

Now the companies will be aided by the Biden Administration with unlimited supply of cheap labor subsidized courtesy of the taxpayers. A reminder--- Delphi was broken up with the loss of over 100,000 UAW jobs under terms set down by the Obama Administration and those workers got a golden parachute courtesy of the taxpayers...But youknow that Big B don't you?


Biden was VP back then. Expect more of the same. Manufacturers can roll back wages, taxpayers will be on the hook for benefits, and the wealthy owners will smile.

Why should a company spend time and money sending operations out of the country to use cheap labor when Joe Biden will allow the cheap labor to come here by the millions?

Although I agree with the information; the method of delivery is a bit like smearing shit in someone's face. You get em' all wrialed up and they have no reason to dig into the facts. People are kinda sensitive these days lol.

 

[Freedommachine]

The whole "make liberals cry again" thing may have been harmless fun at the time but it sort of screwed us in the long run, it really freaked them out.
MSM propaganda machine took advantage to re-mold the liberal view of all republicans. Conservatives in particular became a serious 'threat to our democracy' as they love to put it.
There are American citizens who genuinely tremble in fear thinking the Nazi party has been resurrected. It's crazy but that's where we're at.

All politicians have been selling us out for the last 50 years. What truly irritates me is the double narrative they use to do it. Once the red vs blue context is removed the lies become much more apparent.

Open boarders, corporate imperialism, sabotage to fossil fuels, enslavement to the Fed reserve, massive spending bills, charging parents as terrorists because they don't want their children wearing muzzles or having CRT shoved in their faces everyday...what sort of narrative does that fit?

While searching for confirmation on the Kellogg's union support for biden- I came across this interesting bit of Marxist word vomit: US Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh feigns support for Kellogg’s strike in visit to picket line - World Socialist Web Site


United we stand, divided we fall.

Edit: That may have come out wrong. I meant united as people seeking unbiased truth. Not in a 'come comrade, we must seize the means of production!' sort of way

 

[standardparts]

The whole "make liberals cry again" thing may have been harmless fun at the time but it sort of screwed us in the long run, it really freaked them out.
MSM propaganda machine took advantage to re-mold the liberal view of all republicans. Conservatives in particular became a serious 'threat to our democracy' as they love to put it.
There are American citizens who genuinely tremble in fear thinking the Nazi party has been resurrected. It's crazy but that's where we're at.

All politicians have been selling us out for the last 50 years. What truly irritates me is the double narrative they use to do it. Once the red vs blue context is removed the lies become much more apparent.

Open boarders, corporate imperialism, sabotage to fossil fuels, enslavement to the Fed reserve, massive spending bills, charging parents as terrorists because they don't want their children wearing muzzles or having CRT shoved in their faces everyday...what sort of narrative does that fit?

While searching for confirmation on the Kellogg's union support for biden- I came across this interesting bit of Marxist word vomit: US Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh feigns support for Kellogg’s strike in visit to picket line - World Socialist Web Site


United we stand, divided we fall.

The article you linked is excellent.

 

[Freedommachine]

I found this part quite humorous.

The BCTGM union has attempted to divert workers’ anger over hours and wages at Kellogg’s and other food companies into a right-wing racist campaign attacking Kellogg’s workers in Mexico, who also are brutally exploited, for supposedly taking American jobs.

Unions are a microcosm of socialism. I will admit, the trade unions are a bit more useful than factory unions but in the end they are all socialist in nature. So it is quite interesting to learn that socialists do not like them.

I've spent the last 10 years in union shops doing government work. It is quite unfulfilling to be honest. Clock in, clock out and do it all again with absolutely no reason to try harder. Why make waves in a union shop? You won't make anymore money. You will only piss off those around you.

Just come in, blend in and go home. If you do too much, the supervisor will ride you like a stolen horse because he knows you'll do it.

You might ask; "Why not apply for a salary position and work your way up?"

Well, I'll tell you. Salary positions in an environment like this are even worse. Everyone is an ass kissing whiner. They will jump at an opportunity to blame you for their mistakes and the good ol' boys club is very real.

If they don't like you? No raise for you during your next review followed by; "Oh by the way, we're going to need you to provide support on the back shifts for awhile. Just split your time between 2nd and 3rd."

Salary departments are heavily micromanaged. You will never find a single person department because everyone needs a manager. I am not exaggerating.

It is a literal microcosm of socialism.

A few years ago I came to the conclusion that I would have to eventually leave. There was only one problem...the golden handcuffs. Almost $35 a hour to sit here typing this reply while a mill runs behind me - it is a helluva thing to give up.

Where could I even go from here? The chances of me finding a job I actually enjoy - making that kind of money without a degree or even a journeyman's card are slim to none.

My only option was to cut back hard on unnecessary spending and start my own business. I began to read about LLC's, corporate tax structures, accounting and finance.(Everyone should learn this btw)

I taught myself how to use solidworks, mastercam and QuickBooks. I bought a cnc knee mill that didn't run and retrofitted the control and got after it. I have not had any semblance of work/life balance for quite a few years. It will all pay off in the end though.

 

[crazygoat]

A few years ago I came to the conclusion that I would have to eventually leave. There was only one problem...the golden handcuffs. Almost $35 a hour to sit here typing this reply while a mill runs behind me - it is a helluva thing to give up.

That says a lot about you and the unions. Part of what's wrong in this country today.

 

[SeymourDumore]

... Part of what's wrong in this country today.

And such wrongs are ( in your own words and in some detail please ) ?

 

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Now the companies will be aided by the Biden Administration with unlimited supply of cheap labor subsidized courtesy of the taxpayers. A reminder--- Delphi was broken up with the loss of over 100,000 UAW jobs under terms set down by the Obama Administration and those workers got a golden parachute courtesy of the taxpayers...But youknow that Big B don't you?

Got an article about that? Over 100,000 UAW employees would have made Delphi quite possibly the largest union employer in the
US. While not exactly small, I don't think they were ever anywhere close to that big. Wasn't it (Delphi) just a spinoff of GM parts division that went bankrupt?

 

[boosted]

Why should a company spend time and money sending operations out of the country to use cheap labor when Joe Biden will allow the cheap labor to come here by the millions?

Hey, somebody should tell the fast food operations about all those cheap workers that Joe Biden is letting into the country.

Taco Bell down the street from us has had a sign in the window advertising $15/hr to start for months. A few weeks back, Wendy's was advertising $20. In fact, almost every business owner I know is having problems with staffing. Guess the hoards of job stealers just haven't made it this far north yet...

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

OK Scrooge. We get it. Green with envy.

For me it’s simple, I won’t be buying anymore Kelloggs products. It’s called solidarity.

Regards Tyrone

 

[Freedommachine]

That says a lot about you and the unions. Part of what's wrong in this country today.

Interesting. What specifically does that statement tell you about me? Or unions for that matter?

I cannot see how the text you quoted can stand alone and provide information of value. Without context from the rest of my post, it does not have any obvious meaning.