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Were to find a HARDINGE HLV-H in Europe ?

Johan.A

Aluminum
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Sep 6, 2020
Hi im looking for my first Hardinge lathe .

Preferly a HLV-H-EM or a HLV-H metric if I cant find the EM model

I have read alot of them but never seen one in real life
they are not common here in Sweden.

Do you know any lathe in good or great condition for sale :confused:

Thanks Johan
 
Joined
Jan 15, 2005
Location
The Netherlands
I have this one for sale right now
High accuracy toolroom lathe Alex-Tech AML 618 | Veltman Machines
Made in Taiwan and regarded as very good
I had 2 of these and the buyer of the first one is very happy with the machine
The man is a instrument maker
Furthermore I have this one
High accuracy lathe Hardinge KL1is identical to HLV H | Veltman Machines
On this one you can get a discount
With the alec tech I stick with my price
We shipped to Sweden before So no problem there
If you have a VAT nr we can do a innercommunity supply with no VAT

Peter
 

thermite

Diamond
Hi im looking for my first Hardinge lathe .

Preferly a HLV-H-EM or a HLV-H metric if I cant find the EM model

I have read alot of them but never seen one in real life
they are not common here in Sweden.

Do you know any lathe in good or great condition for sale :confused:

Thanks Johan

LOL! Not a BAD lathe.. but Europe?

Oy! Y'all have some right grand ones of your own manufacture in that work envelope range.

Ask Peter what ELSE he can get for you!

:D
 

thermite

Diamond
Like a Schaublin 102N-VM, for instance.

Larry

Meahh.. "not only". Even so..

Milacron had two of the larger Schaublins on his floor when I picked up the Cazeneuve from him.

Hands-on they just "feel righter" than perpetually feet-on-opposite-legs Hardinge-weird.

The HBX-360-BC? ..Weird as well.

But French weird. So weird in a neat kinda way, but still.. one must adapt!

The Schaublin controls were just more "natural"... familiar as soon as you approached.

:)
 
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Jan 15, 2005
Location
The Netherlands
As we are talking Schaublin
I also have a Schaublin 125 almost ready for resale
With a lott of accessories
Not on the website yet
But would that be a better lathe ????
I do not think so
The work envelop might suit you better perhaps


Peter
 

thermite

Diamond
As we are talking Schaublin
I also have a Schaublin 125 almost ready for resale
With a lott of accessories
Not on the website yet
But would that be a better lathe ????
I do not think so
The work envelop might suit you better perhaps


Peter

The Schaublin 135 would be the one I would want. If I were in Europe.

Hardinge wants "Hardinge system" tooling. Cheap and easy to source in the USA. Mayhap the UK as well? Broad family. Handy goods. I've adapted some of it to 10EE.

Not so cheap and easy to source, elsewhere?

To the good, a Hardinge can be as low-noise as a 10EE. "Grown-up size" Schaublins are noisier.

Cazeneuve HBX-360? Moonlights as an air-raid siren. Or so my SPL meter says.

I'm already DEAF, so "BFD"!

:D
 

Johan.A

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 6, 2020
Hi all and thanks for the replies .

Why buy a Hardinge when living in Europe ?

I want to try something new I guess .

Good question . I like schaublin and still have a 102n .
I had a 120vm which I liked
We got a 135 at work that is great but to big for my homeshop

102vm could be a good choise and i can use the same collets as to my 102n

Schaublin 125 is also a Lathe on my wanna try list . But HLV-H seems to be easier to operate

Even Boley 5lZ is on my wanna try list


I think I would like a Hardinge . But it will be expensive with tooling and spareparts
So it must be one in very good condition with a lot of tooling
 

mellejonker

Aluminum
Joined
Jan 10, 2016
I dont think hardinge tooling is more expensive then schaublin tooling. C5 collets and other 5C tooling can be quite cheap. Chucks and backplates can be expensive but no more then schaublin.Since Hardinge produced those lathes in the UK spares and tools are often offered on the UK ebay. I have my HLV-H quite complete with the help of ebay.

I never ran a schaublin 125 so I can not compare that with a HLV-H but I had a schaublin 102VM. I think you cannot compare that one with a HLV-H, its another range.

Regards,
Melle


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Johan.A

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 6, 2020
Agree the C5 collets is sheaper than Schaublin w collets .

Spare part from hardinge USA is very expensive and with import tax

But the same from Swiss with schaublin

There are Hardinge parts on ebay.uk but also import tax

Much easier to find schaublin stuff here in Europe
 

barbter

Diamond
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Oct 27, 2007
Location
On Tour...
Ref the Alextec, a friend has both that and the Hardinge in his shop in Canada.
Can't tell the difference day to day - both as nice as eachother.

20 years ago I bought for where I worked a Feeler lathe equivalent (Taiwan) and we had both that with 3x Hardinges.
Again, no noticeable difference at all....
 

Johan.A

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 6, 2020
Intresting . So a Taiwan copy is as good as the real deal ??

I dont like the fact that the asians are copying others products .

So I wont buy a clone myself, they arent even sheap
 

L Vanice

Diamond
Joined
Feb 8, 2006
Location
Fort Wayne, IN
Intresting . So a Taiwan copy is as good as the real deal ??

I dont like the fact that the asians are copying others products .

So I wont buy a clone myself, they arent even sheap

Here is an example of why a Taiwan copy may be chosen, even if the new owner would rather have a Hardinge. First, Hardinge stopped making them. Second, Taiwan shops still make them. Several years ago, I talked to a local shop owner, with a big enough shop that he has employees and has to finance his equipment. He said he wanted to buy newly rebuilt HLV-H lathes, but the bank or whoever has to approve the expense told him he had to buy new machines. So he showed me his two Taiwan copies, which he said were doing OK. I recall they had different names on them, but don't recall the names.

About 37 years ago, Feeler was the only Taiwan brand for Hardinge copies. I had just bought my Hardinge ESM59 and had a need to make a lot of parts using the lever cross slide and turret. I saw that the vertical cutoff would let me do another turning op from the rear of the cross slide. I went to Warren, MI and bought a Feeler vertical cutoff copy of one for a DSM59 from Production Tool. The Feeler was cheaper than the Hardinge product, but I don't recall the difference. This was long before eBay, so I had no known access to readily available used tooling. My older model lathe required slotting the mounting holes, but the Feeler unit worked fine for many parts until the job went away.

Larry
 

Johan.A

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 6, 2020
Hi Larry that make sens .

Buying an original Hardinge is more an enthusiast thing than a great buy .

My homeshop is only for pleasure so I stick with original machines that is fun to own:o
 








 
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