What do you think of equipment and tools made in China?

[Dymend]

Hello everyone, I am a tool manufacturer in China, and I am glad to be able to join this community.
I operate a diamond tool factory, named Dymend Tools, https://www.dymend.com/ and export products to many countries.

Before, I often heard European and American customers say that the quality of products made in China is not good, but this is the voice of 15 years ago.
As a manufacturer, after experiencing the development of the manufacturing industry chain in China, I think we have very strong advantages in the industrial supply chain. With the formation of leading enterprises, product research and development investment has also increased, and new technologies and manufacturing processes are slowly emerging. Of course, in the manufacturing of high-precision instruments, there are still obvious disadvantages, such as CNC machining centers.

In addition, with the development of e-commerce, some small measuring tools and processing accessories are exported to many countries through retail channels, and maybe you have purchased from Amazon and eBay before.

Based on your actual usage experience, what do you think of the products made in China now?

 

[Garwood]

I see things getting better and better, but there's still frequently "chinesium" products where the item is made to a price point and looks pretty good, but when you go to use it you find out there's a small, but rather important detail the Chinese didn't consider. They got it wrong in a way that indicates an incomplete understanding of what the product does.

I do notice the fit and finish of Chinese parts is pretty darn good today. Even if something in the functional aspect is wrong, the quality is often surprisingly good.

 

[eKretz]

I think quality control is often iffy. I'm sure it's getting better, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. Most of the stuff shipped over here that I've had exposure to seems to be on the low end of the quality scale, I'm sure there is plenty of better quality stuff available there that doesn't get sent here. The focus by importers here seems to be on making things as cheap as possible, which probably leads to shortcuts taken where they shouldn't be.

 

[Philabuster]

The OP needs to come visit a Harbor Freight store. That is the typical quality I see coming out of China.

 

[technocrat]

The problem is variable quality. How do we have confidence in your product? Example - I once bought two granite surface plates and they both had exactly the same surface map QA certificates. Whilst they were good value for money, I don't believe they were exactly the same, more like a generic copy of the QA documents.

 

[rons]

The company American Standard makes sinks and toilets. Take off the bowl lid. Made in China. You wouldn't even suspect it.

Asking me about the quality on a product with no American competition?
When the jailer asks the inmate how he likes his food. "It's not bad and it tastes better than last month's gruel". (What choice do I have ?).

 

[Ultradog MN]

I go out of my way to avoid buying Anything built in China.

 

[rons]

William William Dafoe in Platoon:
I think we are going to lose this war. We've been kicking butts so long I figure it's time we get our butt kicked.

 

[EmGo]

He does diamond blades for stone-cutting, guys. With the amount of granite floors in China I bet he gets more experience in a week than even a big shop in the US will see in a year.

btw, with a tiny bit of moisture those things are slicker than an ice rink with a WD-40 glaze. The reason everyone walks around like a bunch of prancing fairies ? If you take big manly strides you are going to go on your keester. And that shit is hard when you crash.

 

[DDoug]

He does diamond blades for stone-cutting, guys. With the amount of granite floors in China I bet he gets more experience in a week than even a big shop in the US will see in a year.

btw, with a tiny bit of moisture those things are slicker than an ice rink with a WD-40 glaze. The reason everyone walks around like a bunch of prancing fairies ? If you take big manly strides you are going to go on your keester. And that shit is hard when you crash.

Seeing how the product is not used in a machine shop environment, the OP is nothing but a spammer.

And you all fell for it.

Google hit's on the linky is al that matters to these people.

 

[Ries]

The largest and most significant tool I have in my shop from China is an Anyang power hammer for open die forging.
I bought it about 23 years ago, and its a solid, well made machine.
But one of the main reasons I ended up buying it is because the manufacturer (Anyang is the largest press and forging machine manufacturer in the world) was dedicated to a successful entry into the US market, and took the time to understand how the US market actually worked, at least then.
Rather than sell a container load of hammers to anyone who would pay, and put any brand name on them desired by the purchaser, they created a brand awareness of their products based on a longterm relationship with a single US distributor. (Over the 25 or so years they have been trying to sell in the US, they have had 3 different distributors, but only one at a time, and the current one, by everything I hear, is doing a very good job.)
This model is also the most successful for imported machine tools, regardless if they are from Germany, Taiwan, Korea, or even India.
I remember, in 2006, the president of Anyang came to the US blacksmiths convention, the ABANA conference, in Seattle. At that time, individual shop owners in the US were a tiny part of the world consumer base for these machines, no matter the manufacturer.
But to develop the market, the president came, and I met him, and congratulated him, through a translator, for making the effort.
As a result, they are now a well regarded brand name in the USA, and have parts availability, resale value, and no significant Chinese competition.
I got to know two of the US importers- one retired, the other died, but both praised the way the Chinese worked- If an individual blacksmith had a good idea for an improvement, they would tell the distributor- and, if the distributor agreed, he would email China. And, they told me, within a week, usually, China would air freight a sample improved part. So the constant dialog between the US dealer and the factory meant that the current machines are much improved over my 20 year old version.
Contrast that with my talks with a US dealer who is the exclusive distributor here for a line of German machinery- the Germans, if told about a possible improvement, just ignore the message. The Germans believe they are always right, and anyone who thinks the machine could be better is wrong.
Certainly I can not speak of other Chinese companies, but if a company wanted to succeed in the US, this would be a very good model to follow.
Dont try to compete just on price, or sell to anyone who offers to buy- instead, find a good, reputable national distributor who knows your industry, and then, listen to their advice as to what would sell here.

 

[John Garner]

Ries's Post 11, above, contains more wisdom than most of the Masters Theses I've read.

 

[Gordon Heaton]

The quality issue has nothing to do with a lack of knowledge or technology, as these are found in abundance in China. The root, I believe, is the insatiable desire of the western world to look for the absolute lowest price, not caring about or not recognizing the difference in quality. The lowest bidder will use poorly trained, overworked labor and search diligently for the cheapest materials that will 'look' right. The importers such as Harbor Freight know they sell a lot of junk, but they also know that comparatively few customers will go to the trouble to seek adjustments on inexpensive failed product.

The problem for those of us who care is, as already mentioned, to determine which is well-made and which is not. Price alone is not always an accurate indicator but in general, you get what you pay for if you buy from a reputable supplier.

 

[EmGo]

Seeing how the product is not used in a machine shop environment, the OP is nothing but a spammer.

And you all fell for it.

Well dang, snookered again !

Digger gets the award

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The importers such as Harbor Freight know they sell a lot of junk, but they also know that comparatively few customers will go to the trouble to seek adjustments on inexpensive failed product.

Actually, have you been to Harbor Freight recently ? A while back needed stuff for the tug, no point in getting good wrenches to drop in the bilge so I hit Harbor Fright. For $100 got a full set of combo wrenches and sockets and a ratchet and a few other necessities, the material was probably not up to Snap-On standards (didn't put a 3' pipe on any of them to try to break loose a hunnerd-year-old froze bolt) but the fit and finish was just as good.

Harbor Freight is not as bad as you think these days. Yes they have some total junk but I'd say now most of their stuff is okay. Some is a lot better than okay. And the $12 heat gun was a life-saver, took a lickin and kept on tickin, I must have removed 300 square feet of nasty thirty year old twelve layers deep paint with that thing. Made me happy as a pig in shit

 

[gwelo62]

The quality issue has nothing to do with a lack of knowledge or technology, as these are found in abundance in China. The root, I believe, is the insatiable desire of the western world to look for the absolute lowest price, not caring about or not recognizing the difference in quality. The lowest bidder will use poorly trained, overworked labor and search diligently for the cheapest materials that will 'look' right. The importers such as Harbor Freight know they sell a lot of junk, but they also know that comparatively few customers will go to the trouble to seek adjustments on inexpensive failed product.

The problem for those of us who care is, as already mentioned, to determine which is well-made and which is not. Price alone is not always an accurate indicator but in general, you get what you pay for if you buy from a reputable supplier.

I agree wholeheartedly.
The complaints of machine full of casting sand and not fitting properly point to keeping prices down.
I would have thought that US buyer and Chinese suppliers would have done something to ended the list of cpmplaints that never change.

 

[rons]

The quality issue has nothing to do with a lack of knowledge or technology, as these are found in abundance in China. The root, I believe, is the insatiable desire of the western world to look for the absolute lowest price, not caring about or not recognizing the difference in quality. The lowest bidder will use poorly trained, overworked labor and search diligently for the cheapest materials that will 'look' right. The importers such as Harbor Freight know they sell a lot of junk, but they also know that comparatively few customers will go to the trouble to seek adjustments on inexpensive failed product.

The problem for those of us who care is, as already mentioned, to determine which is well-made and which is not. Price alone is not always an accurate indicator but in general, you get what you pay for if you buy from a reputable supplier.

Not directed to you personally but to all:

My opinion is that the OP has products that apply here. Grinding and polishing.

Today I went to Lowes (like HD out here) to get struct nuts. They had a Chinese variety and I passed them by.
Next, went to Home Depot (HD) on the way home. Thomas & Betts five pack. No way, I'll take em. On the bag.
Made you know where. Just can't win sometimes. And the worst part is that I would not know if the package didn't say country of origin.
I was going to buy these from an Industrial supply place that will re-open on Monday (no weekends). But they sell Tomas & Betts.
I'm just glad to get a brand. But thoughtful about what harm it does.

To add:
Notice the television commercials having a lot more mixed couples. This started before 2020. Slowly creeping in.
Like a programming, or reverse programming. Get familiar to globalization and other people. Some of your wealth
will go away to even it out across the world. I'm not against the commercials. But I never did like a pay cut.

 

[EmGo]

But thoughtful about what harm it does.

This is what I mean. "what harm it does" ... the harm was done thirty years ago under the Pareto Principle that we were going to be a service economy and do the 20% that made all the money while the *deleted by a moderator for using racial slur* did the dumb part. Too bad they didn't read the script.

That was a crock but the society (maybe not us but all the rest of 'em) bought into it and changed the US world. Any "harm" involved was done thirty years ago and it's too late to snivel now.

There is no giant industrial base in the US no more, the society (not us, but this is a democracy and they were all gung-ho to be baristas instead of work in a factory) decided; it is what it is and no end of wailing about China will change that. May as well live with it and do the best that can be done, instead of moaning and howling at the moon. Maybe even come up with an alternative to manufacturing, since they gave that away. Preferably not web design, sigh.

 

[rons]

Also look at the sophisticated forms of slavery used to manufacture goods.
Maybe not so for Nikon camera.
I vote for equal markets and not taking advantage of people, including respect for property rights.

 

[Limy Sami]

Oh FFS - look at the date.

 

[eKretz]

Oh FFS - look at the date.

Posted yesterday. And IP is in Hong Kong.