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What do you think of equipment and tools made in China?


Mar 5, 2009
California, USA
Oh riiiiight. You're talking to a guy who had a Louis-Allis ac motor drive that used to literally explode whenever it felt like it. And I remember Dad with the soldering iron inside the guts of the teevee more than once. Heck, the service guy at Sundstrand told me where to kick the control to get it running again. (Bill Corsin, anyone else remember him ? Cool guy.)

I've owned US electronics, don't try to shovel that shit in this direction. Some were good, some were garbage. In fact I had a $6,000 computer where the effing power supply (standard ol' peecee one) failed with no g-d chance to repair it because the jerk Americans at SGI just had to add a few little fragile, unreliable components which of course they never documented, so when the thing goes kabloom, there you are, flocked, with your five-times-as-expensive as it should be computer. They couldn't help themselves, for a few effing pennies it was bend over, rover to their customers. Thanks so much.

Did I mention you are full of hooey ? Unless it's going into space, most electronics everywhere are pretty crappy.
I'm not talking to you. I would only consider conversing with those who know v = ir.
Didn't understand the meaning as usual, Japanese electrons are better than US electrons.
And for China, ask owners of Huanyang VFDs about how their electrons behave.
Those dildo things are banned from discussion.
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Diamond; Mod Squad
Mar 27, 2005
Northwest Indiana, USA
Think about that... 25 years.
A tool salesman may put on 40,000 plus per year on a car.

Yep, pretty amazing. Good little car. I'm not even to 200k yet. It sat for 11 years. Started right up first crank with a new battery though. I don't plan to retire it until it falls apart from good old Midwest rust. I try to keep it as clean of that as I can, but it's going to lose the battle eventually. My 12 year old wants it as his first car, thinks it's cool. Probably will be where it ends up.

The electrical gremlins are in the charging system. There's an electronic load detector that's supposed to kick the alternator up into high gear whenever any loads are turned on (headlights, heater blower, rear defrost, etc.) - and it's built into the fusebox, so to get a new one you have to replace the entire fusebox. Except you can't, because it's been EOL'ed by Honda and no-one else makes one. Could try one from a salvage yard but who knows if that would just take a dump too. I ended up just learning how it works and putting in a bypass/bodge. Running like a champ and charging beautifully now. Before the bodge I had to pick any two loads. Between headlights, heater blower, and brake lights. So driving at night in winter was no good. Now I can turn everything on at once and all good.


Mar 28, 2020
The largest and most significant tool I have in my shop from China is an Anyang power hammer for open die forging.
I bought it about 23 years ago, and its a solid, well made machine.
But one of the main reasons I ended up buying it is because the manufacturer (Anyang is the largest press and forging machine manufacturer in the world) was dedicated to a successful entry into the US market, and took the time to understand how the US market actually worked, at least then.
Rather than sell a container load of hammers to anyone who would pay, and put any brand name on them desired by the purchaser, they created a brand awareness of their products based on a longterm relationship with a single US distributor. (Over the 25 or so years they have been trying to sell in the US, they have had 3 different distributors, but only one at a time, and the current one, by everything I hear, is doing a very good job.)
This model is also the most successful for imported machine tools, regardless if they are from Germany, Taiwan, Korea, or even India.
I remember, in 2006, the president of Anyang came to the US blacksmiths convention, the ABANA conference, in Seattle. At that time, individual shop owners in the US were a tiny part of the world consumer base for these machines, no matter the manufacturer.
But to develop the market, the president came, and I met him, and congratulated him, through a translator, for making the effort.
As a result, they are now a well regarded brand name in the USA, and have parts availability, resale value, and no significant Chinese competition.
I got to know two of the US importers- one retired, the other died, but both praised the way the Chinese worked- If an individual blacksmith had a good idea for an improvement, they would tell the distributor- and, if the distributor agreed, he would email China. And, they told me, within a week, usually, China would air freight a sample improved part. So the constant dialog between the US dealer and the factory meant that the current machines are much improved over my 20 year old version.
Contrast that with my talks with a US dealer who is the exclusive distributor here for a line of German machinery- the Germans, if told about a possible improvement, just ignore the message. The Germans believe they are always right, and anyone who thinks the machine could be better is wrong.
Certainly I can not speak of other Chinese companies, but if a company wanted to succeed in the US, this would be a very good model to follow.
Dont try to compete just on price, or sell to anyone who offers to buy- instead, find a good, reputable national distributor who knows your industry, and then, listen to their advice as to what would sell here.
you are good, professoer


Mar 28, 2020
The quality issue has nothing to do with a lack of knowledge or technology, as these are found in abundance in China. The root, I believe, is the insatiable desire of the western world to look for the absolute lowest price, not caring about or not recognizing the difference in quality. The lowest bidder will use poorly trained, overworked labor and search diligently for the cheapest materials that will 'look' right. The importers such as Harbor Freight know they sell a lot of junk, but they also know that comparatively few customers will go to the trouble to seek adjustments on inexpensive failed product.

The problem for those of us who care is, as already mentioned, to determine which is well-made and which is not. Price alone is not always an accurate indicator but in general, you get what you pay for if you buy from a reputable supplier.
during the competition, chinese company think prince is the competition power, decrease is easy, improving technology is hard for them


Mar 28, 2020
cutting wheel.

can be used in the pipe, steel bar, bearing inner ring, bearing outer ring, linear guideway
it is a consumables, low prince product,
so you need some steady customer every month which consume the cutting wheel.
for some industry gatherd city, maybe luoyang, haerbing, jining
chinese factory like to see the neighbour,
the neighbour use your cutting wheel, the cost for one is low,
decrease the cost, improving the competition.


Mar 28, 2020
Because I do not wish to finance China's hegemony around the world.
Second, because my experience with the quality of Chinese consumer goods has not been good.
you are absolutely right,
China has good quality product,
but, you must pay attention to control the quality and look for them,
spend time and cost.
your choice is right