WHERE DO YOU HIRE PEOPLE ??

[Seesecurity]

My coworker's son (still in high school) earns $21 while operating the cash register at In-N-Out. This is in the Sacramento region. He has been at it for a few months now.

Luckily most of the machine shops around Sacramento have caught on in the last year or so. Most places advertise for $35-40 now. Better places are up to 50 per hour for highly qualified candidates. Down in Oakland there are jobs in the 75-80 dollar per hour range. I did the math, and even with the higher cost of living I think I would be better off with one of those Oakland jobs but I am tied to the Sacramento region because I bought when the interest rates were low.

Almost every single one of my machinist friends, and myself, switched employers in the last 12 months for better pay.


Which area is this? Are you in America?

He's in Houston.

 

[EmGo]

$80. an hour in Oakland, California for a machinist?
Passing up $80. hour----how much differance in interest could matter?

I have a friend in Oakland who'd pass up more that that to move to Sacramento. Just had his pickemup stolen the other week, in fact ... In broad daylight on a busy street. Locked. And it wasn't worth stealing.

 

[Seesecurity]

Experience may differ my friend. If you have 20 years of experience machining one bolt, it's not an experience and I wish that experienced machinists to keep building his career in the same place if company needs him.
I will pay more for sure if person worth it. The value that employee brings to the table equal pay he deserves. ?
ha ha ha
ha

You live in a capitalist country, supply and demand etc. Pay peanuts you get monkeys.
The problem with the wages you're offering is that they are at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder, you will only get the drifters and poor performers, not only that, they will move at the drop of a hat for an extra 50c/hr because when you're on such a low wage every cent makes a difference to your standard of living.
What you think someone is worth it is irrelevant, the market dictates what you have to pay them whether you like it or not.

 

[standardparts]

I have a friend in Oakland who'd pass up more that that to move to Sacramento. Just had his pickemup stolen the other week, in fact ... In broad daylight on a busy street. Locked. And it wasn't worth stealing.

How bad could Oakland be?
It's California...some describe it as heaven on earth.

 

[EmGo]

How bad could Oakland be?

Pretty bad ... it has nice parts, of course, but ...

It's California...some describe it as heaven on earth.

Was, once upon a time. Even when I was a kid, but you shoulda heard my mom. If we could have put up a wall, about 1970 ?

 

[alek95]

$80. an hour in Oakland, California for a machinist?
Passing up $80. hour----how much differance in interest could matter?

I doubt I would qualify for a mortgage in the bay area, plus I don't want to rent, ever.

Here's a job in Belmont that advertises 60-100 per hour for a lead machinist with 10+ years experience.

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=ca8d7a7af08d35ed&from=serp&prevUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indeed.com%2Fm%2Fjobs%3Fq%3Dmachinist%26l%3DOakland%252C%2520CA%26salaryType%3D%2524130%252C000%26radius%3D100%26from%3Dso

This was the actual job I was thinking about. It's actually in Freemont, not in Oakland as I thought

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=007e1428b5ce8103&from=serp&prevUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indeed.com%2Fm%2Fjobs%3Fq%3Dmachinist%26l%3DOakland%252C%2520CA%26salaryType%3D%2524130%252C000%252B%26radius%3D100%26from%3Dso

 

[standardparts]

Pretty bad ... it has nice parts, of course, but ...



Was, once upon a time. Even when I was a kid, but you shoulda heard my mom. If we could have put up a wall, about 1970 ?

A wall won't stop people from leaving. You made it so there is that.
People who are happy in Cali will stay, and obviously are willing to pay for that privlege. $80 hour machinist pay certainly would be attractive.

 

[EmGo]

A wall won't stop people from leaving.

Maybe not but the costs and people from back east will

Make us leave, I mean, not stop us from. Not too many native Californians want to leave because of what California is. Was.

You made it so there is that.

Nope. I had nothing to do with it. 1960 was perfectly wonderful with me. Peacock feathers, hot tubs, what more can you ask for ? Even maybe 1970. Late '70's was when it really started to come apart, imo.

 

[SageGlad]

My coworker's son (still in high school) earns $21 while operating the cash register at In-N-Out. This is in the Sacramento region. He has been at it for a few months now.

Luckily most of the machine shops around Sacramento have caught on in the last year or so. Most places advertise for $35-40 now. Better places are up to 50 per hour for highly qualified candidates. Down in Oakland there are jobs in the 75-80 dollar per hour range. I did the math, and even with the higher cost of living I think I would be better off with one of those Oakland jobs but I am tied to the Sacramento region because I bought when the interest rates were low.

Almost every single one of my machinist friends, and myself, switched employers in the last 12 months for better pay.


Which area is this? Are you in America?

Yes I'm in Houston (near, about 50 minutes away). This is just the numbers I see, as I said I'm trying to hire first person. The other shops advertise with this numbers, maybe that's the area market Idk. Your area pays are really good, and if you pay this money are you getting enough profits to cover all that and still make profit for the shop? Just curiosity. I don't know much yet on the market, because I'm the "one man shop" just with nice machines and very clean. Working my way up.

 

[EmGo]

Yes I'm in Houston (near, about 50 minutes away).

Really ? Profile says Florida. That'd be a nasty commute

Also looks like you have a website registered ? But it doesn't work ? Maybe a little bit about the shop and what you do would get some interest. If you want to sell yourself to prospective employees, you have to let them know what you're about.

 

[BT Fabrication]

Houston.
Very industrial city I thought.

well latest data from the industry said for every open position, there are only 1.08 people looking for a job.
concider this, years ago, hell even 1.5 yr ago it was 2.25, years ago it was closer to 5..
cant find people, welcome to the new world today. nobody looks for jobs on facebook........ most is word of mouth or local job offices.

 

[SageGlad]

Really ? Profile says Florida. That'd be a nasty commute

Also looks like you have a website registered ? But it doesn't work ? Maybe a little bit about the shop and what you do would get some interest. If you want to sell yourself to prospective employees, you have to let them know what you're about.

My bad. Will update now.
I started in Florida, but the building owner decided to sell the unit right when I signed the lease with him. So I had to move and I didn't find any decent unit for machinery and was very expensive so I moved.

 

[SageGlad]

My coworker's son (still in high school) earns $21 while operating the cash register at In-N-Out. This is in the Sacramento region. He has been at it for a few months now.

Luckily most of the machine shops around Sacramento have caught on in the last year or so. Most places advertise for $35-40 now. Better places are up to 50 per hour for highly qualified candidates. Down in Oakland there are jobs in the 75-80 dollar per hour range. I did the math, and even with the higher cost of living I think I would be better off with one of those Oakland jobs but I am tied to the Sacramento region because I bought when the interest rates were low.

Almost every single one of my machinist friends, and myself, switched employers in the last 12 months for better pay.


Which area is this? Are you in America?

What will they get after California TAX etc. in hand? Not more then a half of what advertised I assume?

 

[alek95]

What will they get after California TAX etc. in hand? Not more then a half of what advertised I assume?

Hahaha you're delusional if you think taxes will close the gap between what you're offering and what we get paid in Cali. My taxes are about 20% of my gross wages.

By the way, I checked job listings in the Houston area. Lots of places offering 30-35. Some offering even more for experienced machinists. At $20, the best you can hope is to hire some jabroni who will cost you more in wasted time and broken tools.

Time and time again, the guys who come to this site to complain that nobody wants to work for them are offering wages from a decade ago, and are scratching their heads why nobody will show up to the interview.

 

[Ries]

Since the mid 80s, I have been hiring employees from Community College machining, welding, and manufacturing programs. I hire kids who have just finished 2 year AA degrees, which, to me, has indicated a fair amount of discipline, and a sincere interest in metalworking.
I have probably hired 30 kids out of these programs over the years.
They are not ready to go machinists or welders, but they have the basics, have actually run machines, and can tell aluminum from steel, know what a millimeter is, can measure and are ready to train.
Even if you get a full scholarship, as several of the vets I have hired did, you still have to have a part time job to live while in school, so these people have all been more than just green high school kids- they have made a conscious choice to learn metalworking skills, then paid time and money to do so.
I get to know the instructors, and hire on their recommendations, and several have ended up working for me for 5 years or more.
Works for me.

 

[SageGlad]

Hahaha you're delusional if you think taxes will close the gap between what you're offering and what we get paid in Cali. My taxes are about 20% of my gross wages.

By the way, I checked job listings in the Houston area. Lots of places offering 30-35. Some offering even more for experienced machinists. At $20, the best you can hope is to hire some jabroni who will cost you more in wasted time and broken tools.

Time and time again, the guys who come to this site to complain that nobody wants to work for them are offering wages from a decade ago, and are scratching their heads why nobody will show up to the interview.

I just assume what the taxes are, some people say 45% (who really knows, is the one who pay those taxes - you, so thank you for clarifying).
Will try to offer 30-35.

 

[SageGlad]

Since the mid 80s, I have been hiring employees from Community College machining, welding, and manufacturing programs. I hire kids who have just finished 2 year AA degrees, which, to me, has indicated a fair amount of discipline, and a sincere interest in metalworking.
I have probably hired 30 kids out of these programs over the years.
They are not ready to go machinists or welders, but they have the basics, have actually run machines, and can tell aluminum from steel, know what a millimeter is, can measure and are ready to train.
Even if you get a full scholarship, as several of the vets I have hired did, you still have to have a part time job to live while in school, so these people have all been more than just green high school kids- they have made a conscious choice to learn metalworking skills, then paid time and money to do so.
I get to know the instructors, and hire on their recommendations, and several have ended up working for me for 5 years or more.
Works for me.

Your method and experience sounds very good. Those people more likely long term players I guess.

 

[MCritchley]

Does your local high school have a school to work program? I got my start in a school to work program, half day of school and half day in a job shop. Half of the "youth's" stuck around and make up 60% of this small shops employees. The program is work and if you find a talented kid you can teach them how to work your way and the investment will pay dividends.

 

[Ries]

we have this thing called "Running Start" in Washington State, where high school kids can take college classes and get double credit.
In Texas, they call it Dual Credit, same idea.
If I were you, I would call or visit the guys who run this program (they are probably too busy to answer random emails) Unfortunately it looks like they are cutting back on the classes this year. Budget cuts maybe.
https://www.hccs.edu/programs/areas...industry--manufacturing/machining-technology/

 

[CarbideBob]

Ever taken on a guy/gal that has never seen a micrometer or even calipers?
Has no idea what .001 means let alone a tenth or micron.
Did it work?