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Why does everyone look for a "do everything software"?

nell209

Plastic
Joined
Sep 26, 2021
I was recently a part of a program with a local industry/university/business center partnership.

We were tasked to build a solution for the most "painful" parts of managing a job shop. Over a year we identified and built a tool for scheduling and priority management. All shops that were part of the same program adopted it and loved it; claimed it transformed how they collaborate in their organization.

With that news, we tried reaching out to other businesses and it seems like no one wants to solve scheduling unless it comes with a CRM, inventory manager and costs module.

I'm curious as to why it feels like shops want an ERP that attempts to do "everything"? as opposed to using tools best suited for the job. i.e. QuickBooks for finance, Hubspot for CRM, etc. Is there something I'm missing? we've offered to integrate with all these tools and sometimes their existing ERP but still face the same challenges.

Interested in an explanation or advice if I'm looking about this all the wrong way.

Cheers,
Nelson
 

thermite

Diamond
I was recently a part of a program with a local industry/university/business center partnership.

We were tasked to build a solution for the most "painful" parts of managing a job shop. Over a year we identified and built a tool for scheduling and priority management. All shops that were part of the same program adopted it and loved it; claimed it transformed how they collaborate in their organization.

With that news, we tried reaching out to other businesses and it seems like no one wants to solve scheduling unless it comes with a CRM, inventory manager and costs module.

I'm curious as to why it feels like shops want an ERP that attempts to do "everything"? as opposed to using tools best suited for the job. i.e. QuickBooks for finance, Hubspot for CRM, etc. Is there something I'm missing? we've offered to integrate with all these tools and sometimes their existing ERP but still face the same challenges.

Interested in an explanation or advice if I'm looking about this all the wrong way.

Cheers,
Nelson

So what happens if you do:

echo $0

Being less cryptic, unix users will expect and prefer each challenge handled by task-specific software that does one (class of) thing, but does it reliably, predictably, efficiently, and well.

Microsoft users require software sufficiently complex they can blame it for all failings, real or imagined, so they are never held accountable for their f**k-ups..

Linux and Android users want the best of both worlds.
Apple users, neither.

If you can figure out what those last two equate to?

Nothing else will matter.

How hard WAS that?
 

nell209

Plastic
Joined
Sep 26, 2021
Apple users, neither.

This line made me laugh at my desk :D. I'm trying to understand the business implications for your response though?

If people want a single tool to point all problems at but the tool doesn't improve from feedback (i.e. an ERP doesn't care that you requested an improved scheduling module). the business owners ultimately pay the price of the headache. wouldn't it just make sense to keep using existing tools for what they're good at and accept that the best decision for the business is multiple solutions?
 

thermite

Diamond
This line made me laugh at my desk :D. I'm trying to understand the business implications for your response though?

If people want a single tool to point all problems at but the tool doesn't improve from feedback (i.e. an ERP doesn't care that you requested an improved scheduling module). the business owners ultimately pay the price of the headache. wouldn't it just make sense to keep using existing tools for what they're good at and accept that the best decision for the business is multiple solutions?

Asking the wrong guy. My Swiss partner and I modified a Quickbooks "International" version coded in Oceania to deal with European Bank Giro's and multiple currencies. Then Intuit dropped it.

BFD. It still works just fine, given it uses a Win NT SP3 image stripped of over 70 thousand files and run under Virtual PC on OS2 Warp Server Advanced, Qemu on the *BSD's and Linsucks, and "Q" on both G4 and Wintel Macs.

Always faster, emulated, than ever it ran on Win NT4, bare metal.

Basic Arithmetic hasn't changed. Nor Accounting.
Why would I need to change Quickbooks?

As to ERP? PostgreSQL has all the power I need. The rest is just SQL specific to what I need. Not what some other Pilgrim needs. You were aware PosgreSQL can create and present web pages, directly?

No need of a "package" or "App". JFDI.

Computer was meant to reduce waste, error, and tedious overhead.
..OpenBSD works for me.

Not create MORE of it.

.. I don't care to work for Microsoft at all, let alone pay them for the "privilege" AKA "torture".

Priorities thing. "Hacker's First Law"

Life is too DAMNED short to drink bad wine, f**k with slow computers, or share a blanket with a b**tchy woman.

That simple.
 

mhajicek

Titanium
Joined
May 11, 2017
Location
Minneapolis, MN, USA
My CAD software has to do everything CAD related that I need. My CAM software has to do everything CAM related that I need. Why would I want to have multiple softwares that I have to figure out how to mesh together? An ERP software package should handle everything ERP related. It could have different modules, and maybe not everyone needs all those modules, but those modules need to seamlessly work together.
 

nell209

Plastic
Joined
Sep 26, 2021
Thanks for the perspective. I definitely understand not wanting to figure out a whole other tool, the cost of anything isn't just the money but the time and headache involved (nothing is ever free).

But at what point do you realize things need to separate.

I mean, most people say they aren't happy with their ERP, which isn't always entirely true; They hate the CRM, inventory, scheduling or some other module but since it's all managed by the same platform it's convenient to blame the entire platform.

I can only imagine if there's a point where someone's ERP might be a great financial planner or customer tool but you could probably do better if you used an isolated inventory tool. e.g. every ERP offers accounting, but sometimes it's worth it to use QuickBooks instead since it's the better tool. Where do you draw that line?
 

nell209

Plastic
Joined
Sep 26, 2021
My CAD software has to do everything CAD related that I need. My CAM software has to do everything CAM related that I need. Why would I want to have multiple softwares that I have to figure out how to mesh together? An ERP software package should handle everything ERP related. It could have different modules, and maybe not everyone needs all those modules, but those modules need to seamlessly work together.

Thanks for the perspective. I definitely understand not wanting to figure out a whole other tool, the cost of anything isn't just the money but the time and headache involved (nothing is ever free).

But at what point do you realize things need to separate.

I mean, most people say they aren't happy with their ERP, which isn't always entirely true; They hate the CRM, inventory, scheduling or some other module but since it's all managed by the same platform it's convenient to blame the entire platform.

I can only imagine if there's a point where someone's ERP might be a great financial planner or customer tool but you could probably do better if you used an isolated inventory tool. e.g. every ERP offers accounting, but sometimes it's worth it to use QuickBooks instead since it's the better tool. Where do you draw that line?
 

mhajicek

Titanium
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Location
Minneapolis, MN, USA
Joined
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Location
Airstrip One, Oceania
Tasked Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Yes. It's crap, always been crap, and I don't particluarly care what that second-rate piece of garbage has to say. Even the OED has gone to the dogs.

Just look at their ignorant definition - transitive ? Did no one tell them what transitive means ? What's the object, a prepositional phrase ? Great.

Imbeciles. Sometimes I think the wingers are correct, education these days truly is shit.

We used to call it "corporatespeak" and SGI even had a translator ... was funny how accurate it was at creating meaningless gobbledygook out of misused words. "Gifted" used as a verb is another one :(
 

Strostkovy

Stainless
Joined
Oct 29, 2017
Yes. It's crap, always been crap, and I don't particluarly care what that second-rate piece of garbage has to say. Even the OED has gone to the dogs.

Just look at their ignorant definition - transitive ? Did no one tell them what transitive means ? What's the object, a prepositional phrase ? Great.

Imbeciles. Sometimes I think the wingers are correct, education these days truly is shit.

We used to call it "corporatespeak" and SGI even had a translator ... was funny how accurate it was at creating meaningless gobbledygook out of misused words. "Gifted" used as a verb is another one :(

"Gifted" as an adjective is probably something you haven't heard said to you.
 

boosted

Stainless
Joined
Jan 4, 2014
Location
Portland, OR
I have a hard time separating scheduling from quoting. I need scheduling to be fed directly from quoting, and quoting should probably feed straight into a CRM.

Getting work, quoting work, and scheduling the work, are all pieces to the same puzzle. Doing the work is a whole other process.
 

nell209

Plastic
Joined
Sep 26, 2021
I have a hard time separating scheduling from quoting. I need scheduling to be fed directly from quoting, and quoting should probably feed straight into a CRM.

Getting work, quoting work, and scheduling the work, are all pieces to the same puzzle. Doing the work is a whole other process.

This is a great answer! Different processes, different tools. but married processes need married tools. I guess otherwise you're intentionally adding the extra work of breaking things apart that are normally related.

I'm curious though. When you've got quotes with a set date or BOM with operation dates. But when material is delayed, a rush order comes in or things need to shift, how do you manage the "doing" every day when the quoting process is more like once and done?

It would be helpful to know the difference between forecasting a quote schedule based on projected capacity vs managing your shop schedule to keep capacity moving every day. they do feel like 2 different jobs, do you treat them differently?
 

Mcgyver

Diamond
Joined
Aug 5, 2005
Location
Toronto
I don't get why this is even a question. If systems aren't integrated you end up with multiple data bases and everyone rekeying things all day long.

What may make sense is integrate various third party modules via API.....i.e. little point in writing your accounting system for Next Great ERP Software Co. and so on. The user should care less where the say accounting software came from, so long as its really good and integrated
 

Mcgyver

Diamond
Joined
Aug 5, 2005
Location
Toronto
Geez EG, that wasn't that big an offense......make your self useful and take to task the mouth breathers using "good" as an adverb :D
 
Joined
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Location
Airstrip One, Oceania
Geez EG, that wasn't that big an offense......make your self useful and take to task the mouth breathers using "good" as an adverb :D
We each have our buttons :) This "gift" and "task" crap, and always the passive voice, it's getting to be as bad as "loose" when people mean "lose".

If there's a grammar exam at the pearly gates, gonna be a whole hell of a lot of disappointed people :)
 








 
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