WTB: Brother Speedio S500x, S700x, S1000x 10k or 16krpm spindle

[david n]

OFF topic a bit.
I was at a shop that had a few Brothers running aluminum. Pretty impressive little guys even with the 30 Taper.
the surprising thing was the massive amount of vibration in the floor, 10 feet away. So I guess the frames are more for transmitting vibration than absorbing it?

My Bro don't vibrate the flo...........

 

[mkd]

You would get a Robo for small 5 axis work at high spindle speeds??? Since I have a hard time, and sometimes can't, swap parts as fast as the machine can make them I don't get much unattended time. My Brother swaps pallets in less than 4 seconds, while repositioning and changing tools .

PS, you need a grammar and spell checker.

internt spellin bruh.

too bad you can't get a pallet pool on it. High production and/or high mix.

 

[DavidScott]

A pallet pool won't help me load parts, which is the bottleneck. The next step for me is pneumatic clamps so I don't waste time turning screws, even if it is sub 1 second each. Then better tooling to speed up the machining, then back to part loading improvements, etc.

 

[DavidScott]

DMG was making linear machines with 4k rapids and 30k spindles, but when you can buy 4 speedios, and I am not sure they have the accel that the speedios do. My older DMG has faster x rapids than the speedio and takes literally twice the time to make parts due to toolchanger/accel/spindle speed/spindle accel

On a 2 minute cycle with around 8 tool changes the difference between 1,000 and 2,000 ipm rapids is around 3-4 seconds on my programs.

 

[SRT Mike]

Dragging this back on topic, here are a few pics of my machine. I have had several people asking about it.... I have a bunch of like-new tooling and the machine is like-new itself. I put a new D675 vise on there since these pics and added a Mic6 fixture plate to lift the vise up a bit.

 

[SRT Mike]

DMG was making linear machines with 4k rapids and 30k spindles, but when you can buy 4 speedios, and I am not sure they have the accel that the speedios do. My older DMG has faster x rapids than the speedio and takes literally twice the time to make parts due to toolchanger/accel/spindle speed/spindle accel

I do a lot of work on a Mikron 600x with a 36,000rpm spindle which has linear motors and crazy acceleration and rapid numbers, but it is way slower for almost all parts than the Speedio a few machines over, because the Mikron takes a long time to change tools, a long time (comparatively) to accel/decel the spindle, and a long time to index the table to whatever angle and lock/unlock it. The Speedio with G100 blows it away in most stuff and is a sight to behold when running in anger.

 

[LOTT]

In the medical feild where Cpk rule, decent enough isn't good enough. Sometimes an applications needs 40k rpm with 100 duty cycle and awesome repeatability with full 5 axis, where you would be making parts in 3-4x faster than a brother. I know "faster than a Brother" is heresy around here.

What is this magical machine? We must know. If Brother has been conquered we need to know who to obsessively follow instead.

And if you are going to admit to all the other caveats that have been mentioned, like that the Speedio acceleration beats ultimate max travel rate on small parts, then you have to drink the blue and white kool-aid with the rest of us...

 

[mkd]

I do a lot of work on a Mikron 600x with a 36,000rpm spindle which has linear motors and crazy acceleration and rapid numbers, but it is way slower for almost all parts than the Speedio a few machines over, because the Mikron takes a long time to change tools, a long time (comparatively) to accel/decel the spindle, and a long time to index the table to whatever angle and lock/unlock it. The Speedio with G100 blows it away in most stuff and is a sight to behold when running in anger.

Damn. Cool comparo. The X600 is the fast one. I've seen some shocking displays of accuracy with that line. Spindle life easily in the tens of thousands of hours, when taken care of. Any reason you are locking rotaries all the time. Direct drives aren't going to have any backlash.