stephen thomas
Diamond
- Joined
- Jun 3, 2001
About a year ago I posted a WTB for a 4' or 54" 10K bed that was worn out. I have a 4' 10K, and the bed on it is _really_ worn out. Like a .040" (or maybe worse ) wear ridge. My problem was that I just know if I tear the lathe down, it will become a never completed project. So my idea was to get a bed to plane separately to put under it when completed. Figured if I made it to that point, it would be easy to swap most of the parts and scrape as I went. Or even delay some of the finer points if necessary, like the scraping topslide & compound "later".
Well PM'r Tom Novotny responded and gave me a 54" bed. But it has a problem. It is not worn out
Still, it seemed like a good idea to inspect it and decide whether to plane it or not.
So the checks were ways parallel, and how much wear.
I've always coveted a Kingway aligner, but did not want to get stuck down that rabbit hole making one at the moment.
So I came up with these combination Vee-curvic gages.
There was a stick of quite round ground hardened shaft in the scrap drawer. The flat and curvic sides were roughed out close on the shaper. Then i dusted the chuck and the rail on a surface grinder, and dressed a wheel to do the flat side, and one with a 1/2" radius (1" dia) for the curvic side. Might be a little larger radius, I just kind of estimated it on the R & A dresser since it is not critical. The finished Vee-curvic stick was then cut up into 2 long and 1 short gages, cleaned up and de-burred.
The point of the shape is they will fit a range of inverted V's, not just "perfect 90° included angle". Not only that, but they conform to the way the ways might be laid on the machine and still provide an accurate reference surface in any orientation. In case the way is actually say 43° on one side and 47° on the other, for instance. (Square) V-blocks won't provide usefully oriented surfaces for convenient referencing in a situation like that.
Using with a parallel or bridge, for depthing. Can also be used with depth mics & indicators for other features.
With a level:
With micrometer, indicator, or other gages, to keep track of parallel:
gage shown was made a few years ago to keep track of dovetails when scraping. But it was made to be readily adaptable to other situations, as with the Vee-curvic blocks.
It looks like the bed has about .0025 total twist extreme corner to extreme corner; and about .005 sag in the front way. Maybe a little more since I was using the back way as a quick reference with the level and it would actually have some wear as well. As can be seen from the blue marks, I did lay a 4' straight edge on the relevant surfaces. I did not rig a set up so that the SE could be supported, nor check with feelers. But the general "feel" with the SE was that there is not really a lot of wear as these small lathes go. Practically new, in the scheme of what is often seen out there.
Will decide tomorrow whether to scrape or plane. There isn't much metal to remove scraping and normally that would be my choice. But the surfaces are tiny, so it is hard to balance the SE and keep _all_ the geometry aligned. Plus playing with the planer always seems like more fun.
smt
Well PM'r Tom Novotny responded and gave me a 54" bed. But it has a problem. It is not worn out
Still, it seemed like a good idea to inspect it and decide whether to plane it or not.
So the checks were ways parallel, and how much wear.
I've always coveted a Kingway aligner, but did not want to get stuck down that rabbit hole making one at the moment.
So I came up with these combination Vee-curvic gages.
There was a stick of quite round ground hardened shaft in the scrap drawer. The flat and curvic sides were roughed out close on the shaper. Then i dusted the chuck and the rail on a surface grinder, and dressed a wheel to do the flat side, and one with a 1/2" radius (1" dia) for the curvic side. Might be a little larger radius, I just kind of estimated it on the R & A dresser since it is not critical. The finished Vee-curvic stick was then cut up into 2 long and 1 short gages, cleaned up and de-burred.
The point of the shape is they will fit a range of inverted V's, not just "perfect 90° included angle". Not only that, but they conform to the way the ways might be laid on the machine and still provide an accurate reference surface in any orientation. In case the way is actually say 43° on one side and 47° on the other, for instance. (Square) V-blocks won't provide usefully oriented surfaces for convenient referencing in a situation like that.
Using with a parallel or bridge, for depthing. Can also be used with depth mics & indicators for other features.
With a level:
With micrometer, indicator, or other gages, to keep track of parallel:
gage shown was made a few years ago to keep track of dovetails when scraping. But it was made to be readily adaptable to other situations, as with the Vee-curvic blocks.
It looks like the bed has about .0025 total twist extreme corner to extreme corner; and about .005 sag in the front way. Maybe a little more since I was using the back way as a quick reference with the level and it would actually have some wear as well. As can be seen from the blue marks, I did lay a 4' straight edge on the relevant surfaces. I did not rig a set up so that the SE could be supported, nor check with feelers. But the general "feel" with the SE was that there is not really a lot of wear as these small lathes go. Practically new, in the scheme of what is often seen out there.
Will decide tomorrow whether to scrape or plane. There isn't much metal to remove scraping and normally that would be my choice. But the surfaces are tiny, so it is hard to balance the SE and keep _all_ the geometry aligned. Plus playing with the planer always seems like more fun.
smt