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    Default 96" KING VBM weight?

    Anyone got any rough guesses on the weight of a 96" table king VBM?

    Not seriously thinking about gettign the machine, mostly just curious.

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    1935 EMERMAN (used machinery Chicago) lists a 8 ft Cincinnati at 58,000. I imagine the King is much later and an additional bunch of weight

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    I found a 62" King listed as weighing 65,000. A Morey in the 96" range weighs 95,000.

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    The couple Kings I've seen look comparable to a Bullard Cutmaster.

    Oconnell doesn't have any Cutmaster specs in that size, but they do have Dynatrols in 86" and 108" sizes. Base machine is 97k lbs, and 153k lbs respectively. Turret adds 4,300, side head adds 10.5k, ram adds 5k.

    https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/...%20Catalog.pdf

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    The table gets trucked separate, the back or "rail" comes off.

    side turret ?

    Probably a 3rd dis-assembly problem.

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    Enpro Systems pres. Mr. Painter's 16? footer had the table made in two halves. He had this stored for years in East Houston after acquiring it in the Hunters Point sell off in the nineties - and paying about $50K to have it rail transported to the Houston area from Bay area CA. When he tired of paying the storage fees it went to scrap along with a 135 ton (machine weight) "press brake"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillside Fab View Post
    The couple Kings I've seen look comparable to a Bullard Cutmaster.

    Oconnell doesn't have any Cutmaster specs in that size, but they do have Dynatrols in 86" and 108" sizes. Base machine is 97k lbs, and 153k lbs respectively. Turret adds 4,300, side head adds 10.5k, ram adds 5k.

    https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com/...%20Catalog.pdf
    Thanks for posting that link, it's a neat catalog.

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    Thanks for the info guys, if I had a crane in the shop I'd go for it.

    I've run the same size machine at work, I'd have guessed the weight in the 30 to 40 ton range.

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    More of a question for my future knowledge than anything; but how hard is it to remove the tables on these old VTLs/VBMs? Does it just lift up or is there some retaining mechanism?

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    This old 120" Niles apparently just picked up. There is a very old thread on this. Good illustration of machines requiring a PIT

    Note outer (outside ring gear) cast iron bearing. About 30 feet of scraped cast iron on scraped cast iron going by per rev - which is one reason they don't go very fast

    Here is one of his threads

    What I had to do to 120" Niles to get it running

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    Quote Originally Posted by alskdjfhg View Post
    More of a question for my future knowledge than anything; but how hard is it to remove the tables on these old VTLs/VBMs? Does it just lift up or is there some retaining mechanism?

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    Ok cool,thanks for the pics John.

    I'll bear those in mind when I actually buy a big VBM.

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    Luv that heavy metal!

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    Matt,

    You really want to sink your shop in that gumbo with a 96" VBL? You know, it would take a foundation 20 foot deep to stabilize that in your area. I know, I'm blowing it up by a bunch here.

    My brother bought a 120" Betts, I believe it was, for the company he worked for at the time. Took two permitted truck loads to get it to Houston from New York. The foundation they put it on was over twelve foot deep.

    Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4GSR View Post
    Matt,

    You really want to sink your shop in that gumbo with a 96" VBL? You know, it would take a foundation 20 foot deep to stabilize that in your area. I know, I'm blowing it up by a bunch here.

    My brother bought a 120" Betts, I believe it was, for the company he worked for at the time. Took two permitted truck loads to get it to Houston from New York. The foundation they put it on was over twelve foot deep.

    Ken

    Ken
    We've got literally the same machine at work. That part of the shop used to have a 15' by 100' Niles lathe on it, so stout foundation. (That lathe came from Watervliet and made 16" guns for Iowa class battleships, it used to have 250' of bed)

    But certainly nothing special for the machine, id expect a 12in flat slab tbh.

    We have a 120" Cincinnati at work as well, but in a different department.

    Only a few machines have dedicated foundations, a few lathes and a couple of mills. All the small (less than 80" swing) lathes, small HBM's and VTLs/VBMs do not.

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    Wonder what happened to "frenchriverland" he had some of the coolest threads for awhile.


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