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    Default Allis Chalmers electric motor

    Neat old motor, never knew they made electric motors.00k0k_djmt0inxs15_0ci0lm_1200x900.jpg00p0p_82qroguooho_0ci0p9_1200x900.jpg
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    I had an Allis Chalmers 1.5 hp electric motor, 3 phase. Looked newer than what you have there but it was a beast none the less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabberwoki View Post
    Neat old motor, never knew they made electric motors.00k0k_djmt0inxs15_0ci0lm_1200x900.jpg00p0p_82qroguooho_0ci0p9_1200x900.jpg
    They didn't.

    "Allis Chambers" sounds like shared office space for British Barristers and Soliciters.



    Allis-Chalmers, OTOH, very much did make motors. Also generators, some rather LARGE!

    Allis-Chalmers - Wikipedia

    Irony of ironies, A-C got heavily into the electric motor business when they bought Brown Boveri's US operations.

    Brown-Boveri was later to merge with ASEA, then become "ABB", who "came baaaaaaack' into the US market as owners of Rockwell Automation's Baldor/Reliance.

    Motormaker "Louis-Allis" was not related at any time, "As Far As I Know".

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    That just a little baby one, you should see the full size stuff they made...Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Montana View Post
    That just a little baby one, you should see the full size stuff they made...Phil
    Big Allis was the last bulwark against the 1969 blackout.

    Ravenswood Generating Station - Wikipedia

    Here is 'little allis' which is a 5 hp allis chalmers phase converter:


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    "Motormaker "Louis-Allis" was not related at any time, "As Far As I Know"."

    We all know what you know, troll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donie View Post
    "Motormaker "Louis-Allis" was not related at any time, "As Far As I Know"."

    We all know what you know, troll!
    And we "all know" that your particular form of mental abberation does not permit you to leave it alone, too, do we not?

    Can't help it. It's your nature. OCD mendacious "wound collector".

    Could not stop f**king-with "others" if you wanted to stop. And you do NOT want to stop.

    Why are we no longer surprised?

    Have you apologized to yer Mum for claiming she was dead of COVID yet?
    Didn't THINK so...

    That's another thing you are congenitally unable to do.
    Admit to any of your ENDLESS and downright SILLY lies!

    Remembered in google-indexed public record.

    You LIVE for that form of notriety, don't you?

    It's the only form of "recognition" you have ever managed to hold on to, sad drama-queen! That of a pernicious and profligate f**ker-upper of other people's lives.



    Show us your bike, bad-ass biker-dude. With CURRENT registration, if you please?

    Or is that just spastic colon and bipolar mood Oh, nightmare-dreamer of sniveling drivel, feeding an "inner reptile".

    Oxygen thieves! Proteins wasted!

    God must have figured there was some kind of SHORTAGE of CO2 and the methanes of decomposition?

    "Patience, Clyde-L-hopper". Nature herself will sort your nature ... eventually.


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    My 16 inch SB has a two speed Allis on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by rj1939 View Post
    My 16 inch SB has a two speed Allis on it
    Allis-Chalmers, I'm sure?

    Lous-Allis were originally DC "specialists", and pretty much "only". Monarch used some of their DC motors.

    I wasn't aware they were even still around until this thread had me go and look:

    About Us - Louis Allis

    OTOH? They were just acquired, March of 2020, by these folks:

    News & Updates Archive | WorldWide Electric

    Who speak of "global manufacturing".. and tout Hyundai motors?

    Korean? Or Korean brands with Chinese factories? Or?

    Harder to tell with each passing year..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabberwoki View Post
    Neat old motor, never knew they made electric motors.00k0k_djmt0inxs15_0ci0lm_1200x900.jpg00p0p_82qroguooho_0ci0p9_1200x900.jpg
    I have a very similar Allis Chalmers motor setup as one of my phase converters. Mine came from an old falling down and previously flooded flour mill about 20 couple years ago. Took it apart and blew the dust and silt out of it best I could and bought new Timken tapered roller bearings for it. Running fine thereafter.
    15 hp and nominal 900 rpm

    Is the pictured one yours or just stumbled on the pictures?
    How many HP and what speed?

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    Anybody have an idea as to it`s age?
    No it`s not mine its for sale locally but it`s too far away .
    It`s a 15 hp and they want 75 for it. If it was 40 i`d bite just for shits & giggles.

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    I'd guess late 1930's through 50's for the age but that's just a guess, no literature or anything to back it up.

    Sounds like a reasonable price to me, knowing how well built it is in comparison to other motors.
    Outwardly it looks in better condition than mine. Bearings are a little expensive though if it needs them (mine were quite rusty).
    I've bought a few old motors in the past when curiosity is high and price is low. Most recently a real nice 40hp GE 1200 or 900 rpm (I forget) no plans for it yet.

    The 15hp Allis Chalmers from the mill was part of a package deal, one price for any and all electric motors I could pull out of there... something like $25 about 15-20 years ago. Motors 40hp and under which ended up being a healthy load and a bed full for my old 1 ton. Some have been useful, some to far gone to revive are now scrap, some still waiting for a use.

    Few pictures pulling them out.
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    Where the Hell did you get colour film that far back in a time warp?


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    That`s a hell of a barn. I`ll bet that was such fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabberwoki View Post
    That`s a hell of a barn. I`ll bet that was such fun.
    That part of the Old Dominion?

    Too nicely sided by half for a "barn"!

    Our own, up Lewis County, WEST by God, Virginia, was about a hundred year old when the family rebuilt it back in the mid 1920's. Bottom six inches or so of about 12" to 18" square hand-adzed old growth Chestnut was going rotten at the ground. They jacked up each post, two-man sawed it off, bored a vertical hole up it.

    Hand-dug deep for a concrete pier with a Model T axle set vertical in it to pick up the hole, and on to the next.

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    Kinda "redneck" but they got near-as-dammit another 80 years out of it before the next owner figured out what all that ancient Chestnut might be worth!

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    Here is a 3 HP Allis-Chalmers electric motor on my 1944 Barnes Drill Co. machine.

    The data tag says it was made at the Norwood Works, Norwood, Ohio. The Norwood Works were originally owned by the Bullock Electric and Manufacturing Co. A-C took over Bullock in 1904 as they wanted their own line of electric motors, generators and transformers.

    The same machine has Allis-Chalmers Texrope drive, that is, V-belt drive. An Allis-Chalmers engineer Walter Geist was in charge of flour mill transmission (another A-C product line) and came up with the Multiple V-Belt Drive, put on the market in 1925.

    Lots more info in An Industrial Heritage; Allis-Chalmers Corporation by Walter F. Peterson.

    barnes-201-1-4-allis-chalmers-motor-01.jpg barnes-201-1-4-allis-chalmers-motor-02.jpg barnes-201-1-4-allis-chalmers-motor-03.jpg barnes-201-1-4-allis-chalmers-tex-rope-01.jpg

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    Grigg, Nice truck. Paul

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    Peter S that`s awesome. Any chance of some more pix of the entire machine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabberwoki View Post
    Peter S that`s awesome. Any chance of some more pix of the entire machine?
    Jabberwoki,

    Check out this recent thread about Barnes Drill Co.

    Barnes Drill Co. - "All Geared - Self Oiled" - Information and Pictures

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    Further to my post above, the Peterson book about Allis-Chalmers says "in 1894 Bullock was a pioneer in the application of motors to machine tools" along with this photo:

    bullock-pioneered-electric-motor-drive-machine-tools.jpg allis-chalmers-bullock-peterson-pg-114.jpg

    Here (below) is a page explaining why A-C needed to get into the electricity business. They were already a major (actually the largest in the US I believe) manufacturer of steam engines, including the largest generating engines. But they had to use generators from other manufacturers, e.g. Bullock, G.E., Westinghouse etc. G.E. started building steam turbines, thus a threat to A-C.

    Westinghouse built steam engines too, so were direct competition for A-C.

    allis-chalmers-bullock-peterson-pg-129.jpg


    The photos below show a 5000 hp "angle compound" steam engine with Bullock generator at the 1904 World's Fair, St. Louis, Missouri.

    allis-chalmers-angle-compound-5000hp-1904-worlds-fair-st.-louis-missouri-02.jpg
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