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    Default Cincinnati Tool Cutter Grinder #1-1/2 rescue

    18 months ago I spent two days trying to convince myself I could rescue an old Cincinnati Tool Cutter Grinder. The problem was it was stuck down in a hole, on the side of a near cliff which access by a gravel driveway that would make a goat nervous. I didn't know how much it weighed and while the owners thought it was 300lbs I couldn't even get it to lean. I found out later it weighs 600lbs without motor. Since I already had a big power hacksaw in my van and no way to get anything else up there I had to turn my back on the poor thing and leave it sitting outside in the weather where it had been sitting for 25 years.
    Fast forward to last Friday and my weekly (ok daily, don't judge) CL search and the poor thing popped up again. This time with the price of $50 or it is going to be pushed off the cliff (I made the last part up). My son and I went up there this morning, titled it onto a steel wagon and push/pulled it up out of the hole and got it in the van. It was a pretty nerve wracking drive back down the driveway and, of course, we bottomed out at the bottom but managed to get free and get it home. This poor guy may be beyond hope but one day I plan to give it my best shot.
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    Here some more bits I got while we were there. Some of the items probably go with the Cincinnati while others just begged to be taken home. I've got a L&W dividing head but this one had a gear set and I thought that looked useful. It is in rough shape but probably can be restored.
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    Couple more pieces for the cutter grinder.
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    Anything can be saved!

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    Oh, for crying out loud, go back and get the band saw.

    Wait a minute, where in GA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlBoyd View Post
    Oh, for crying out loud, go back and get the band saw.

    Wait a minute, where in GA?

    CarlBoyd
    Unfortunately the bandsaw is not available.

    Not in Georgia.

    Marshall, NC

    just outside of Asheville NC

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    Might be applicable - from the 1923 catalog

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    Maybe later I'll do the pages of attachments

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    machinist and industrial archeologist...

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    so much good junk!!! nice find.

    I kind of hate that my T&C is a Makino C40 clone. I wish it were something more interesting.

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    I saw that on CL.

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    I was given one of those when my buddy's dad passed. He had modified it. Now it is more of a surface grinder than a cutter grinder. I have used it sparingly but it works pretty well.
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    A few clicks here and you can look at the 1926 CMMCo catalog - including the #1 1/2 T&C grinder

    Cincinnati Milling Machine Co. 1926 Catalog

    ph

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billygoat View Post
    I was given one of those when my buddy's dad passed. He had modified it. Now it is more of a surface grinder than a cutter grinder. I have used it sparingly but it works pretty well.
    I saw your post and looked over your pictures. Definitely have been and will be a help to me when restoring this one.

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    Here are some pictures after arrival in the shop. I'm trying to link these to a hosting site so the size will be better.










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    Was that machine built as electric motor drive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIP6A View Post
    Was that machine built as electric motor drive?
    I believe it was as the head is all one casting that includes the motor support. I'll get a picture of the motor up soon. It has a two step flat belt pulley that matches perfectly with the idler that's also built into the casting.

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    On the mills CMMco had well developed plain bearing designs somewhat akin to Hendey - with tapered front journal. I imagine that well used ring nut with its "experience" in the way of bashed pin spanner holes has something to do with snugging up the front journal. Note similar on this 1913 scan for a hefty mill

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    thats cool. It looks very fixable if you are willing to put in the time.

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    The basic machine looks much better than some of the accessories. Some of them are approaching the "iron ore" stage, but I have been surprised before about how well some totally destroyed-looking items have come out to be working and useful items when carefully restored.

    You seem to have one or two turret lathe tools in the lot. And that LW seems to have the helical milling setup. Wish mine did! If it cleans up, you will be set for a number of useful tasks if you can get a drive from your mill's table feed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnoder View Post
    On the mills CMMco had well developed plain bearing designs somewhat akin to Hendey - with tapered front journal. I imagine that well used ring nut with its "experience" in the way of bashed pin spanner holes has something to do with snugging up the front journal. Note similar on this 1913 scan for a hefty mill

    spindle-cone-scan-1913.jpg
    As usual, you're right John. Last night I took the spindle apart and it is tapered front and rear, ring nuts on both ends that neatly integrate with the cone pulley. Much to my relief the internals look fantastic. I think ring nuts will clean up ok and I'll either turn down the cone pulley or build it up and turn it down.


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