J.H.Williams Tool Holders - Is there a catalog?

dalmatiangirl61 · Feb 17, 2021

Some years ago when I packed all the tooling for the Standard Modern lathe there was a tool I had never seen before, it was different enough I made a mental note and was not sure how to sharpen a tool blank for it. I unpacked those tools this week, and I'm not finding that tool. I looked at the catalog on vintage machinery and its not there, found another catalog on the web and its not there either, not sure if either catalog covers every tool they made.

Starting to wonder if I dreamt it after a day of packing tools :confused:

, not sure if I lost a box, or lost my mind, seem to remember there being more lathe dogs too. So is there a definitive catalog of every type of lathe tool made by J.H.Williams?

BSaddict · Feb 17, 2021

Ill check our filing cabinet tomorrow. Got all kinds of stuff clear back to the 50s in it.

BSaddict · Feb 17, 2021

I did find this, not sure if its of any help.
J. H. Williams & Co. - Publication Reprints - Tools of Industry by Williams, Superior Drop-Forged Tools (abridged) | VintageMachinery.org

Limy Sami · Feb 17, 2021

Any help? https://www.toolsdelivered.com/assets/documents/ToolsDelivered.com_1960_Catalog.pdf

dalmatiangirl61 · Feb 17, 2021

Limy, that is the other catalog I saw, and its not there. Drawing below of what I remember, what ever thats worth, it had an unground tool in it, cannot remember in which orientation it held the tool, second pic would be looking at it from above. Like I said, it made me stop and think for a second as I had not seen that, then I would have wrapped it in paper. In the box I unpacked there was a straight, RH, LH turning tools, cut-off, threading, knurling tool, all common stuff, + only 2 lathe dogs. If you had asked me on Monday how many lathe dogs there were I would have said "I don't know", but if you had asked if I had packed tool below, I would have sworn yes :nutter:

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If someone can ID that tool I'm missing a box, if you guys say it does not exist, I will chalk it up to vivid dreams induced by heat delirium :ill:

enginebill · Feb 17, 2021

I have seen drawings or photos of that diamond style tool holder in books but I have not seen one in person. It probably wasn't Williams but a generic style. I googled diamond lathe tool holder and I found modern versions but not a Williams.

duckfarmer27 · Feb 17, 2021

Dalmatiangirl61 -

I have a tool flyer that came with my January 1945 Heavy 10, dated 1943, from Williams. Shows the same items as the larger catalog linked to above but nothing like what you sketched. Just another data point.

Glad I'm not the only one who remembers things that sometimes turn up different at a later time. Hang in there - we can't be wrong!

Dale

Jim Kennedy · Feb 18, 2021

I thought they were called Transgental tool holders, but here is a link.
Jim

The Diamond Tool Holder

Andy FitzGibbon · Feb 18, 2021

I seem to recall seeing an older US-made holder, or perhaps an ad for the same, in that style. Do not remember the manufacturers name, but it wasn't Williams.

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Limy Sami · Feb 18, 2021

I've just checked my oldest British supply house cat (1953) with JH Williams stuff in, and no luck on that holder.

enginebill · Feb 18, 2021

Jim Kennedy said:
I thought they were called Transgental tool holders, but here is a link.
Jim

The Diamond Tool Holder

It is tangential.

dalmatiangirl61 · Feb 18, 2021

Thanks, maybe I'm not crazy! Mfr date for the lathe is 1974, I think the tooling was supplied by Standard Modern, when did J.H.Williams stop making lantern toolpost tool holders?

Limy Sami · Feb 18, 2021

I've just looked through everything Armstrong tool holder I can find online and they didn't make a tangetial either

JoeE. · Feb 18, 2021

I coulda swore I had a straight holder like that, where the bit extended down and out through the bottom of the shank, and flew back up to my shop to take a picture of it~ but no dice. I couldn't find it.

I've got Armstrong and Williams, both... and there is a pair of straight holders that (already forgot which maker) are marked something along the lines of "Tungsten Carbide...." and I don't remember the rest of the wording~ or the number, but I'm supposing that they were made when Carbide tipped tools were being introduced

Lot of good that trip did

alum100k · Feb 18, 2021

JoeE. said:
I coulda swore I had a straight holder like that, where the bit extended down and out through the bottom of the shank, and flew back up to my shop to take a picture of it~ but no dice. I couldn't find it.

I've got Armstrong and Williams, both... and there is a pair of straight holders that (already forgot which maker) are marked something along the lines of "Tungsten Carbide...." and I don't remember the rest of the wording~ or the number, but I'm supposing that they were made when Carbide tipped tools were being introduced
Lot of good that trip did

This was a good trip. Yes diamond and further transendental- I have trouble with that word too. I think it originated from Australia. Powerful working if you can find the tool holder.
We could grind the tool to many dish shaped edges. It was really perfect for that.

alum100k · Feb 18, 2021

The stature of the tool , well you know. Grind a hollow out the middle and create different shapes.

tdmidget · Feb 18, 2021

What does "tangential" mean?

dalmatiangirl61 · Feb 18, 2021

From the Merriam Webster dictionary "In geometry, a tangent is a straight line that touches a curve at a single point. So we say that someone who starts talking about one thing and gets sidetracked has gone off on a tangent. The new subject is tangential to the first subject—it touches it and moves off in a different direction."

Tangential | Definition of Tangential by Merriam-Webster

alum100k · Feb 18, 2021

dalmatiangirl61 said:
From the Merriam Webster dictionary "In geometry, a tangent is a straight line that touches a curve at a single point. So we say that someone who starts talking about one thing and gets sidetracked has gone off on a tangent. The new subject is tangential to the first subject—it touches it and moves off in a different direction."

Tangential | Definition of Tangential by Merriam-Webster

I'm liking it and everything makes sense. It is a super powerful tool.

alum100k · Feb 18, 2021

What I am trying to say is that shapers Can Pull the the cutting edge and the motors run backwards.That explains a few things. Remember draw knives and draw saws.

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