Lucas 41 HBM

Mr.Green · Jan 9, 2021

Its the cutest little HBM I have ever seen.
I have casually been looking for a HBM, this is close to home and I went to take a look at it. I am worried it may be too small and I would need a bigger working envelope sooner than later, plus I could buy a much bigger one for what the asking price is.

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johnoder · Jan 9, 2021

Poor copies of manuals available for emailing if you care to private message me that address. Paid Lucas way too much long ago

Serial says about 1929 - so I would imagine it has the plain spindle bearing set up

Scan from those days

These are very ordinary spindle nose wise - 5MT with draw back key slot

1929 is likely well before such things as Nitralloy spindles and spindle sleeves

marka12161 · Jan 9, 2021

Max spindle speed of 381 RPM also suggests plain spindle bearings. I have a similar sized 3" Universal from about 1929 with max spindle speed of 650 RPM

Mr.Green · Jan 9, 2021

johnoder said:
Poor copies of manuals available for emailing if you care to private message me that address. Paid Lucas way too much long ago

Serial says about 1929 - so I would imagine it has the plain spindle bearing set up

Scan from those days

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These are very ordinary spindle nose wise - 5MT with draw back key slot

1929 is likely well before such things as Nitralloy spindles and spindle sleeves

Been used by one guy in his shop to repair screw machines. Operates wonderfully

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PDW · Jan 9, 2021

Mr.Green said:
Its the cutest little HBM I have ever seen.
I have casually been looking for a HBM, this is close to home and I went to take a look at it. I am worried it may be too small and I would need a bigger working envelope sooner than later, plus I could buy a much bigger one for what the asking price is.

So you're not going to buy it then? Someone else (not me, too far away and I already have 2) will.

Is the bigger cheaper one in the same excellent condition?

Trust me, given the space available, there's no downside in having a smaller one and a bigger one. I use my smaller one a lot more than the bigger one as everything is lighter and easier to set up.

PDW

Mr.Green · Jan 9, 2021

PDW said:
So you're not going to buy it then? Someone else (not me, too far away and I already have 2) will.

Is the bigger cheaper one in the same excellent condition?

Trust me, given the space available, there's no downside in having a smaller one and a bigger one. I use my smaller one a lot more than the bigger one as everything is lighter and easier to set up.

PDW

If someone else wants to pay up for it, I don't care. I just wanted to go see exactly how big it was. I would have to have my forklift transport guy winch it on his flatbed, or haul my big lift, or rent or hire a rigger, I can haul it. Minimal tooling, a bit of work to get it turned and rolled outside, its a bit pricey for me, but maybe not someone else.

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marka12161 · Jan 10, 2021

Mr.Green said:
If someone else wants to pay up for it, I don't care. I just wanted to go see exactly how big it was. I would have to have my forklift transport guy winch it on his flatbed, or haul my big lift, or rent or hire a rigger, I can haul it. Minimal tooling, a bit of work to get it turned and rolled outside, its a bit pricey for me, but maybe not someone else.

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I bought my Universal Sight Unseen for next to nothing. Shipping it and getting it rigged into the shop cost about 6x the purchase price.

Ohio Mike · Jan 10, 2021

Sure seems pricey for a slow plain bearing machine. The last machine I saw close to that age sold for weight. Of course this one does look pretty good.

Mr.Green · Jan 10, 2021

Ohio Mike said:
Sure seems pricey for a slow plain bearing machine. The last machine I saw close to that age sold for weight. Of course this one does look pretty good.

It is in really good condition, I think its smaller size may make it a bit more desirable, but I'm afraid that what I think is a fair value would probably insult them considering what they are asking. Honestly, its probably worth its weight plus 1/2 what the dro cost and 1/2 of what the big face mill cost.

It was worth the 40 minute drive just to talk to the old guy that ran it for the last 30 years.

Major lack of tooling, no correct MT5 tooling that can actually be locked into the spindle nose correctly.

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ncjeeper · Jan 10, 2021

What are they asking for it?

Mr.Green · Jan 10, 2021

ncjeeper said:
What are they asking for it?

8k. [emoji38]

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PDW · Jan 10, 2021

Mr.Green said:
8k. [emoji38]

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Yeah OK that's a dreaming price unless it's totally loaded with tooling, and you say not. And even then, I'd think it well OTT.

FWIW I paid less than $2500 AUD for my 1950's Kearns OA model with roller bearing spindle, rear bar support and zero tooling. The flash rust from leaving it in the weather before sale came at no extra cost. Fortunately it cleaned off fine.

Tyrone Shoelaces · Jan 11, 2021

Mr.Green said:
8k. [emoji38]

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That's a crazy ask. I'd expect a much more modern, much faster machine with plenty of tooling for that price.

Regards Tyrone

Mr.Green · Jan 11, 2021

Tyrone Shoelaces said:
That's a crazy ask. I'd expect a much more modern, much faster machine with plenty of tooling for that price.

Regards Tyrone

Apparently someone bought it today, hopefully they got a bit better deal, or they just didn't care? Rather have a bit bigger one anyway.

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