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    I'm working on cleaning up my shop I'm third generation in generation but about 5 generation of tools and old equipment.

    We have an old shaper in there and for the life of me I don't remember my dad or grandfather using it and remember just a little about it.

    I'm going to be tinking on fixing up old cars and such and my dad told me to just haul it in for scrap metal but I was wondering if old shaper are worth anything or if they can be used in auto mobile restoration?

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    What brand, size, does it run, have some photo?

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    If you were to build a car from "scratch" - like Henry Ford did with his quad - a shaper might have some utility.

    Most cars from the 1910s onward are pretty standard in format - and your need is more for things already "improved" to purpose. I.e. flattening cylinder & heads, brake lathes, a lathe (for spindles), cylindrical grinders (Crankshafts) possibly a MIG for body-work.

    Most work of this nature is done by "experts." You may be one of these for certain things you do in your shop. I expect your Dad or grandfather already uses these experts if they are not one themself.

    For years I thought I would develop the capability to rebuild a Model A engine. Pursuing this thought, the last Model A engine I did "supervise" a piece by bit engine restoration: Crankshaft to a crank grinder, block to a re-babbiter/line borer, block to a cylinder bore grinder who also inserted the valve seats. camshaft core exchanged. There is no savings this way and my experience is that a Model A block is best left in the hands of a "specialist." The nice part of this is a specialist block usually comes with a guarantee.

    And this is pretty much the way of automobile restoration. A corollary to this is a car is only worth what it initially costs as a core PLUS the cost of restoration. Savings, if any exists, is in developing your own "capability" and using it - but any capability development usually has an "overhead cost." Painting, bodywork, finish is all mostly "man-hours" and you may save something in these areas. The rest has a pretty standard cost.

    For a few years at the beginning, I kept very detailed "costs" of the restoration of my Model A - in the hopes of keeping to that "core plus restoration." My objective was to at least not to "lose money" on my hobby.

    But after a few years I set aside the cost ledger. If you enjoy something, then ENJOY it and don't worry about the cost. At what cost do you price your pleasure?

    And this is where I am today. I work on and improve the Model A to PLEASE ME. Some things need doing and I take pleasure in solving problems. Some things don't need doing so much, but it still pleases me to have "improved."

    I do see ads in Craigslist and other places for such things as a Kwik-Way line bore, a Sunnen hone, or a set of molds and arbor for pouring bearings - but I think should I own these I might use the setups twice more in my life remaining. Meanwhile there is a very talented man down in Amesbury MA (about half an hour drive) who can do all of this for one motor for the price of the tooling for me to do a dozen.

    I don't want to do a dozen Model A engines. It's not my "thing."

    Life is short - do with it what gives you the most pleasure so when you get to the end you don't have any regrets.

    Best for the shaper would be to get it in the hands of someone who would APPRECIATE it and possibly even use it. It may be his "raison-d'etre" and it's absence in his life might be his regret.

    Joe in NH
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    speaking from a mechanics point of veiw i would keep it,,,because this mechanic is currently looking for a shaper and haven't found one yet.

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    shaper1.jpgshaper-2.jpg0.jpg

    Sorry it took me a second to get these uploaded hope it works

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    What would you do with it as a mechanic ?

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    Thanks Joe for the reply. I'm wanting to try and get pre california smog cars back ad up and running, stopping and finding them a new home.

    I just want something from when i get home from my regular job to relax and tinker around having fun.

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    I posted some pic of it and the last time we used it ran I think its a 16 G&E

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    Where are you in California?

    You're not sitting on a gold mine or anything, but I'm sure you'll find a buyer for better than the price of scrap.

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    Some of Abom's (Adam Booth) vids if you look at such things

    Gould & Eberhardt Shaper - Google Search

    have fun

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    Where in California, and what do you want for it? A shaper is on my wishlist, but it would need to be priced right for me to make the drive...

    Anyone know dimensions/weight on a 16" G&E? Not sure I have room or capacity to move that thing.

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    We had to travel 1000 miles to get our shapers just a coul of years ago from a small production shop. Don't use em often but they're nearly impossible to replace for certain tasks. One Cincinnati, one G&E both 16" around 4500- 5000 lbs each if memory serves me right.

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    I'm near Redding, California but not even for sure how much to sale it for; or if i should keep not really for sure what I could do with it in when redoing vehicles. I guess Im going to have to do some more research on it.

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    What ever you do don’t scrap it. In your part of the US there aren’t many of those. Someone will buy it from you. When I lived out there the prices were higher than the other side of the country. I bet you can move it fast on Craigslist at 500-750. People will drive for them. I drove over 2000 miles for mine

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    I know 2 CA hobby groups near Sacramento and the Bay area who might be interested in it. I'll PM you for my email.

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    anything i could and that would save it from going to scrap(i am a softy for the old machines and methods)

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    "I just want something from when i get home from my regular job to relax and tinker around having fun"
    Tinker a bit and get that shaper running and you will have some fun and have a valuable tool. What about the lathe compound and chuck in the photo, is there a lathe to tinker with also? Having these kinds of tools handy will increase your skill levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
    Where in California, and what do you want for it? A shaper is on my wishlist, but it would need to be priced right for me to make the drive...

    Anyone know dimensions/weight on a 16" G&E? Not sure I have room or capacity to move that thing.
    I had a 14" G&E of similar vintage that weighed right around a ton.

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    I like that G&E badge. I bet it was pretty when new.
    I wonder why Eberhardts is prominent and why it has an "S".
    Could it be because there were two Eberhardts?
    The formal name seems to have been Gould & Eberhardt until the company was sold to Norton in 1959.
    What are those small details at the center of the Eberhardts E and S?
    I'm sure someone here can answer these questions.
    Thanks to Vintage Machinery for information.

    Formed by Ezra Gould, Ulrich Eberhardt and Henry E. Eberhardt in 1877.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails g-e-badge.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynah View Post
    I like that G&E badge. I bet it was pretty when new.
    I wonder why Eberhardts is prominent and why it has an "S".
    Could it be because there were two Eberhardts?
    The formal name seems to have been Gould & Eberhardt until the company was sold to Norton in 1959.
    What are those small details at the center of the Eberhardts E and S?
    I'm sure someone here can answer these questions.
    Thanks to Vintage Machinery for information.

    Formed by Ezra Gould, Ulrich Eberhardt and Henry E. Eberhardt in 1877.
    The badge on mine used the possessive form because it referenced that the machine was built under "Eberhardts Patent". Can't recall if this badge is exactly the same as mine, but it is similar. There is small text at the bottom of this one that might say "patent".

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