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    Quote Originally Posted by 99Panhard View Post
    Many V2s were destroyed over the channel by artillery fire...and, even when they did get through, they were notoriously inaccurate.
    You're thinking of the V-1 (buzz bomb). No V-2's would have (or could have) been shot down over the Channel. It was a ballistic missile, not a level-flight device, and was faster than the speed of sound, so no real chance for AA or aircraft counter-attack.

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    Goehring had promised Hitler that the Luftwaffe would neutralize the RAF in something like 6 weeks, after which England would be ready for an amphibious invasion. Thanks to some incredibly brave pilots flying the Spitfires and Hurricanes, the RAF held off the Luftwaffe. The popular version of the "Battle of Britain" attributes the victory to the Spitfires and RAF pilots. In actuality, more Hurricanes were flying in the Battle of Britain. In line with the minimization of the Russian's contribution to the second world war and Allied victory, the story of the Polish pilots who flew in the Battle of Britain is similar. Polish pilots who were able to flee before the Nazi occupation of Poland clamped down went to England. Many placed themselves under RAF command and flew fighters in the Battle of Britain and in other battles. The Polish pilots had some first-hand experience with going up against the Luftwaffe, while most of the RAF had yet to be "blooded". The Poles were great pilots and absolutely fearless. At first there were some clashes with the staid and traditional officers in the RAF who had a distrust of the Poles and their own set ideas about how an air battle ought to be waged. The Poles went into battle, and did what they had to do, sometimes disregarding RAF orders or procedures to survive and win. Eventually, if not somewhat begrudgingly, the RAF heirarchy came to realize the Polish pilots were very good, knew how to handle themselves in a dogfight, and had some better tactics and skills. When WWII ended, a huge victory parade was held in London. Every imaginable military unit from all corners of the Empire and from Allied nations was to participate in this parade. The Polish pilots who flew for the RAF were deliberately excluded from this parade, and were not given any help as far as being allowed to re-settle in England. They were more or less told to leave England and go back where they came from. The word was that if the Polish pilots had been allowed to march in that big victory parade (and probably a review before the British royalty), it would be a slight to Stalin. The result is the history books have paid little, if any note to the contribution of the Polish pilots. They racked up quite the records in the Battle of Britain and they continued to fly under RAF command thru the second world war. There is no taking away the contribution that the R.A.F. pilots made in the Battle of Britain, but history is not telling the entire story- conveniently failing to mention the Hurricanes and the Polish pilots in many cases.

    Another nice story is about the Polish artillery unit that fought alongside the British. They had fled before being captured by the Nazis. The Poles had a unit mascot in the form of a bear, who was quite tame and had been raised by the Poles since he was a small cub. The Poles went into battles with their bear, and the bear was said to have lugged ammunition cases. The bear would drink beer with his buddies and they included a bear holding an artillery shell on their unit patch. When the war ended, the Poles were told they could not stay in England and quietly told to find somewhere else to live. The bear wound up in the London Zoo. Supposedly, the Poles would come to visit their buddy, the bear and he would perk right up. For years after the war, the bear resided in the London Zoo, and would become quite animated whenever anyone walked by speaking Polish. The bear probably fared better than a lot of his Polish Army buddies, being allowed to remain in England when the war ended.

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    I saw an interesting "documentary" made from the german perspective of WW2
    A lot of things in it that we on the "winning" side were never told about...
    I remember it being long(6hrs?) but in short chapters of 10-15 min each so it was actually watchable a few at a time. It was hard to watch at first until you understand this is the geman side of the story and there is no need to show the other side (we have had our side of the story ingrained into our reality for all our lives so we KNOW what it is)
    The Greatest Story NEVER Told | The Untold Story of Adolf Hitler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    You're thinking of the V-1 (buzz bomb). No V-2's would have (or could have) been shot down over the Channel. It was a ballistic missile, not a level-flight device, and was faster than the speed of sound, so no real chance for AA or aircraft counter-attack.

    The original plan, since the germans were not stupid, and understood the V1 was vulnerable, was to send them over in huge lots simultaneously. That way good numbers would get through. It basically did not happen.

    But the germans should have done that. The V1 was much cheaper per ton of delivered explosive than the V2. it might have been cheaper than bombers, especially since bombs were not very accurate either. Large numbers at once would have been quite effective, and cheaper than the V2, both in terms of actual cost, and also considering the research done to develop the V2. That would have been effective two ways... overwhelming the defense, and also overwhelming the damage control system (fire dept, rescue services, etc), with the result that net damage would have been considerably more.

    As for accuracy..... neither was great, but the British helped out a bit.... they managed to get 'controlled" spy reports back to the germans which mixed up the impact times of launches that hit London with shots that fell short. In that way, they managed to get the germans to set the guidance systems according to the short shots (which the germans were led to think were hits), so that the average point of impact was moved away from London and into the countryside. (Reference: "The Double Cross System")

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    Quote Originally Posted by JST View Post
    In that way, they managed to get the germans to set the guidance systems according to the short shots (which the germans were led to think were hits), so that the average point of impact was moved away from London and into the countryside. (Reference: "The Double Cross System")
    Britain owes more to Bletchley Park than it does to the Spitfire.

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