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    Default Pulled this old lathe out of a barn, any idea of the make/model?

    Hi all, this is my first post after being a lurker for some time.

    I just picked up this lathe from a friend of my dad's and cannot find any clearly identifying markings on it. It appears to be an approximately 9"x24" unit, obviously converted to electric power.

    I know little to nothing about these old machines and would really appreciate any and all information about it. Please let me know if there are any other specific pictures that would be helpful.

    Thanks!
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    I can't ID the maker right offhand, but the casting bolted to the headstock is interesting. It would appear that the machine probably started out with a factory electric motor drive, but at some point the motor was removed and the line shaft hangers were added in its place. Maybe the original electric motor failed, and was of a special configuration that wasn't easily replaceable.

    My first thoughts on ID were either Porter-Cable or Rockford, but after looking at some photos I don't think either is correct. A few other makers did that "reinforced" headstock casting, where the front and rear edges extend up to cover half of the cone, so that may be a helpful indicator.

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    I'd guess Sebastian from the QC gear box - before their many little gear heads

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    Looks kind-of like a LeBLond Regal, by way of the gearbox.

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    Going by the quick change box and the carriage on this one it may be a variation of this model of Sheldon
    Photo Index - Sheldon Machine Co., Inc. - Sheldon Lathe | VintageMachinery.org
    As found in a Google Image search .
    Also here,
    Early Sheldon 9-inch & 10-inch lathes
    I didn't check all to see if the original drive setup on yours may be shown
    somewhere.
    Jim
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    Just a thought that the cast addition to the top of the headstock may have been made by Drive All or UniDrive to accept a small version of their multi speed gear box conversions and a motor bracket at some point before being converted back to a step pulley.
    Last edited by Jim Christie; 04-15-2021 at 12:36 PM.

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    sorry i do not know the brand but i do like it quite an attractive lump really

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    that casting on top of the headstock is cool get rid of all that junk above it and install a 1 hp or 1-1/2 hp 3 ph motor with a vfd and go to town

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1yesca View Post
    that casting on top of the headstock is cool get rid of all that junk above it and install a 1 hp or 1-1/2 hp 3 ph motor with a vfd and go to town
    Leave the countershaft assembly alone, just say no to the VFD, I'd liken that to putting a computer controlled engine in a model T.

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    Can't ID it either, but I will say that's very likely one of the few lathes, like, ever, that got converted FROM an onboard electric motor TO lineshaft.

    Doc.

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    I second that it is a very early Sheldon lathe as Jim has mentioned. The poster should be able to get us a serial number that is stamped at the tailstock end of the bed between the ways. He aught to join the Sheldon Machine group over at [email protected] | Home To download some information on the lathe. Ken

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    I saw in one of the links where there was a take over of Sebastian by Sheldon or connection of some kind so perhaps a lesser known transition or shared model between the two companies
    Jim

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    Without having measurements to compare the size for certain the small Lima drive unit on the band saw in this thread,
    Marvel #8 with 12 speeds!!!
    Looks like it might have been something like what had been on the headstock shelf lathe at one time.
    Another small 1/2hp. unit shown here
    Lima Electric Motor Co. - 1959 Review - Lima gear shift motor drive | VintageMachinery.org
    More Lima Info. here too,
    Lima Electric Motor Co. - Related Photos and Images | VintageMachinery.org
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1yesca View Post
    that casting on top of the headstock is cool get rid of all that junk above it and install a 1 hp or 1-1/2 hp 3 ph motor with a vfd and go to town
    Exactly what I was thinking of doing!

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    My thanks to everyone that has replied. Sorry for the delay in my reply, I had a login issue and just got back in. I'm working on it today and will post some more photos and info as I find it.

    So far I have:

    Removed it from the bed of my trunk via a newly installed HF worm gear winch mounted in my garage

    Removed about 5lbs of old mud dauber wasp nests from every possible nook and cranny

    Got the saddle, cross slide and tail stock quill un-seized and started cleaning them up

    I'm actually surprised at how well it's coming along so far. It will need to come completely apart and be detailed before it ever runs but these first checks are promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macsonboy View Post
    sorry i do not know the brand but i do like it quite an attractive lump really
    Thanks. The size really works for my small shop. I like that it really doesn't require any rear clearance with all of the drive parts mounted vertically.

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    Hi all, I was able to put a little more time into cleaning the mud dauber nests out of the lathe and found the serial number Ken asked about, it is: K1008 . If that means anything to anyone on here, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by 4GSR View Post
    I second that it is a very early Sheldon lathe as Jim has mentioned. The poster should be able to get us a serial number that is stamped at the tailstock end of the bed between the ways. He aught to join the Sheldon Machine group over at [email protected] | Home To download some information on the lathe. Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4GSR View Post
    I second that it is a very early Sheldon lathe as Jim has mentioned. The poster should be able to get us a serial number that is stamped at the tailstock end of the bed between the ways. He aught to join the Sheldon Machine group over at [email protected] | Home To download some information on the lathe. Ken
    Serial # is K1008. I have been trying to reply to some of these posts but I'm getting a message saying, "post must be reviewed by moderator" or something to that effect.

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    Serial number K1008 was built sometime in 1939 according to the write up over on the Sheldon Lathe Group. "K" indicates the early 11" swing lathe with 2-1/4-8 Threaded spindle. Bronze spindle bearings. Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4GSR View Post
    Serial number K1008 was built sometime in 1939 according to the write up over on the Sheldon Lathe Group. "K" indicates the early 11" swing lathe with 2-1/4-8 Threaded spindle. Bronze spindle bearings. Ken
    Interesting, near as I can tell it is a 9" swing with and 1 5/8" spindle with a 1 1/16" through hole. I wonder if it's a "bitsa" machine.

    I disassembled, cleaned and reassembled the apron on Sunday, so far everything seems to work OK. Both cross and longitudinal feeds are working and the half nut engages easily.

    The one issue I'm concerned with is the shaft that the hand wheel is connected to. For some reason it appears that a large chunk of the apron where the pinion shaft passes through was brazed back onto the apron. I think that is the cause of the slop in the hole that the handwheel shaft passes through. I was thinking of the best wayS to address it and they all involve boring that hole for a bushing.unnamed5.jpg

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    Default A few more photos of the spindle and headstock

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