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    Default Authentic Hardinge HLV-H Manuals?

    Anybody have authentic, real Hardinge HLV-H (and other) manuals they want to sell? (For HLV-H years 1966 and 1970)

    Iíve got a call in to Hardinge right now to see about getting real, authentic manuals: bound, high quality heavyweight paper stock. Iím wondering if Hardinge still has the real ones, or if they are simply doing spiral bound printouts now.
    I donít want spiral bound or plastic comb copies or printouts.

    Thereís tons of people selling presumably bootleg/illegal copies that are just printouts or photocopies. Iíd rather buy the real deal.

    Examples of presumed bootlegs:

    This one shows a picture of an authentic manual (bound, green cover), but Iím certain they are selling copies, as it describes it as plastic comb format...
    Hardinge HLV-H Lathe Maintenance Manual hlvh https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004THDO58..._Ot8eDb5FKVQHJ


    HARDINGE HLV-H Metal Lathe Maintenance Manual https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B6L7BGM..._es8eDbZFR8WNJ

    Hardinge HLV-H Super Precision Lathe Operators Manual https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NGW9J74..._Es8eDbNE8RP60


    HARDINGE HLV-H Metal Lathe Maintenance Manual | Ozark Tool Manuals & Books


    HARDINGE HLV-H Metal Lathe Maintenance Manual 0342 | eBay



    And thereís tons more.

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    Why do you expect to be able to buy an original 50 year ol manual without paying for the machine that it came with?

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    I bought a used 1960 TFB-H in 1984 and phoned Hardinge for information about getting replacement parts. They sent me new paper operator, maintenance and parts manuals for the HLV-H/TFB-H at no charge. Those were the days before free downloads or Internet for anybody, when companies still cared about customer service. I have kept them all these years and am not very interested in selling them.

    Ozark claims to print theirs on paper that is similar to the originals and they charge accordingly. I think they say something like they sell reproductions instead of copies. Cute.

    Larry

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    I bought one from Hardinge over 20 years ago when I got my used HLV-H. It was a reprint looks like it was done on a copying machine and has one staple in the corner.
    This is after I bought a brand new GT from them plus $20,000 in tooling and accessories. Maybe the reason there are no more originals for sale is Tsugami was buying them up and stamping Tsugami on the front over the Hardinge logo.

    When you find an original in good shape why don't you lend it to me. I just want to touch it and flip through the pages and see what the original photos look like. I promise to send it back, too. Really!
    Last edited by FredC; 06-26-2019 at 04:11 PM. Reason: added thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rand View Post
    Why do you expect to be able to buy an original 50 year ol manual without paying for the machine that it came with?
    I donít expect anything; I _hope_ I can find them. My machines didnít come with anything other than the original electrical diagrams.
    A lot of the reproductions and PDFs are of poor quality.
    Having owned other real Hardinge manuals, I know are well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post
    When you find an original in good shape why don't you lend it to me. I just want to touch it and flip through the pages and see what the original photos look like. I promise to send it back, too. Really!
    I like the quality of the originals.
    Most of the reproductions Iíve seen are substandard and a lot of the PDFs are just plain bad.

    Iíd be happy to! Iím in California, come on by!

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    I promise that no page of any manual we have available is substandard. Each page looks as good as the original or better, or we just don't make it available.

    Hardinge did make some of the best manuals for machinery. I think Cincinnati Mills are probably the only other ones that come close to the Hardinge quality and amount of good information. I know that we have more Hardinge manuals available then anyone else, including Hardinge. I've dealt with people that have large collections of Hardinge machinery and parts, and even past employees. We have a few Hardinge machines in our shop as well.

    FYI the original older Hardinge operator manuals were printed smaller than 8.5 x 11. We enlarge them, but we scan in every page at 600 dpi, so they still look great.

    I don't blame you for wanting the originals. I like them too.

    Matt
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    I have a set of the OG one I got from a buddy of mine that is a machine dealer . I’ll ask to see if he has any more that he be willing to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRivera View Post
    I have a set of the OG one I got from a buddy of mine that is a machine dealer . Iíll ask to see if he has any more that he be willing to sell.
    Thanks!
    I PMed you.

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    I have a 1983 Maintenance Manual and a 1975 Operator's Manual that were in my 3 hole binder if you don't find the right years for your machines. The maintenance manual is dirty from use. I added a photo of the worst pages. The operators manual is clean. I can send more photos of the dirty pages if needed. Daryl
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    For those of you who would prefer copies of original machine you can go to Vintagemachinery.org and look up under machinery reprints and they have a list on most machine tool brands. All you need to do is donate some funds to them to keep the site open. Here is a Maintenance Manual for a HLV, they have 18 manuals under Hardinge. http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/417/21058.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Other Brother View Post
    I have a 1983 Maintenance Manual and a 1975 Operator's Manual that were in my 3 hole binder if you don't find the right years for your machines. The maintenance manual is dirty from use. I added a photo of the worst pages. The operators manual is clean. I can send more photos of the dirty pages if needed. Daryl
    Those would work for my machines.
    I PMed you.

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    I have a very used and grubby HLV-H/TFB-H parts manual for the Feltham machines starting with serial No 100. It's almost complete with only page 1 missing (which I'm guessing is the cover).

    Just putting it out here for reference. If any owners of Feltham machines need a scan of a particular page, I will gladly oblige. Feltham machines may differ in small detail from the US machines.


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