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    Question CAD / CAM Package - Midsize machine shop

    Hi.. our company has around 30 odd cnc machines (mid size cnc machine shop). We are looking for a new CAD/CAM Package that would be good for modeling and 3D programming.

    The usage is as follows:

    1. 90% modelling and 10% surfacing
    2. 40% 2D programming, 25% 2.5D programming, 25% 3D / 4axis continuous programming, 10% five axis positional programming - 5 axis continuous would be great but we rarely do those type of products.
    3. We have two 5 axis machines - 1 positional (FANUC) and one continuous (SIEMENS)
    4. 2 Turn mill lathes (YMC)
    5. Overall an even split of lathe and milling CNCs with 50% SIEMENS / FANUC controls

    We currently use Mastercam x7 and have updte to x9 but its been a while since we have had training on it. We may be getting fleeced on our annual costs but Im checking that.

    The target is to comedown to 1 platform for the team as one guy uses NX another 3 mastercam, 1 delcam sometimes, 1 powermill sometimes and 1 guy uses pro e sometimes.

    I would like to switch to one platform for all, get them formal training and move on that path.

    Options are:

    1. Solidworks + camworks
    2. Autodesk Fusion 360
    3. Inventor + HSMworks + etc (Mfg. Package)
    4. Solidworks + HSMworks
    5. Solid Edge + Solid Cam
    6. Solid Edge + HSMWorks
    7. NX CAD + CAM
    8. OnShape + OneCNC

    Others are also there.

    Appreciate the input from all users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msayani2 View Post
    Hi.. our company has around 30 odd cnc machines (mid size cnc machine shop). We are looking for a new CAD/CAM Package that would be good for modeling and 3D programming.

    The usage is as follows:

    1. 90% modelling and 10% surfacing
    2. 40% 2D programming, 25% 2.5D programming, 25% 3D / 4axis continuous programming, 10% five axis positional programming - 5 axis continuous would be great but we rarely do those type of products.
    3. We have two 5 axis machines - 1 positional (FANUC) and one continuous (SIEMENS)
    4. 2 Turn mill lathes (YMC)
    5. Overall an even split of lathe and milling CNCs with 50% SIEMENS / FANUC controls

    We currently use Mastercam x7 and have updte to x9 but its been a while since we have had training on it. We may be getting fleeced on our annual costs but Im checking that.

    The target is to comedown to 1 platform for the team as one guy uses NX another 3 mastercam, 1 delcam sometimes, 1 powermill sometimes and 1 guy uses pro e sometimes.

    I would like to switch to one platform for all, get them formal training and move on that path.

    Options are:

    1. Solidworks + camworks
    2. Autodesk Fusion 360
    3. Inventor + HSMworks + etc (Mfg. Package)
    4. Solidworks + HSMworks
    5. Solid Edge + Solid Cam
    6. Solid Edge + HSMWorks
    7. NX CAD + CAM
    8. OnShape + OneCNC

    Others are also there.

    Appreciate the input from all users.

    First you have some of the CAD and Cam pairs mixed up or wrong.

    HSMWorks is only for SW

    Inventor's CAM is called Inventor HSM

    SolidEdge has only CAMWorks

    So SolidWorks Has a slew of integrated CAM software's that you can choose.

    SW 2018 now has 2.5 axis CAM included for free, aka CAMWorks, you can upgrade to the a Premium with limitation or upgrade thru CAMWorks to get everything.

    SolidCAM = same levels as CAMWorks

    HSMWorks, lathe sucks, others 2 and 3 axis rock, 4th I do not use much and don't have a 5th. use it every day.

    MASTERCAM for SW

    HyperMill

    VisualMill for SW

    BOBCAD-CAM for SW, they have done a very nice job

    Autodesk
    Inventor has 2 options

    Inventor HSM

    SolidCAM for Inventor

    Fusion 360 is cloud based all files are stored there and if site goes down you cannot log in or work, might not be best only you know.

    they now own all the DelCam stuff.

    all there software is now subscription based, meaning you pay to use if you don't you are locked out! no more perpetual licenses.

    Siemens

    SolidEdge, CAMWorks

    NX with CAM option

    ONShape

    cloud based only yearly subscription, no pay no use, have to use standalone CAM



    I would go the NX route, then SW with CAMWorks 1st, SolidCAM 2nd (sorry Ken) and believe it or not BOBCAD-CAM 3rd do to what you do.

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    FYI
    NX cad and cam are not add-ons to each other, they are a single totally integrated software solution. The apsect of NX functionality which can be confusing is the licensing for all sorts of cad, cam and cae levels. Many people have the misconception NX cad and cam is on the same level of inter-functionality as the combos listed in the OP but in reality it is higher being a single software and it leverages more parametric data. Everyone does workflow automation but the real power lay in the ability to create journals and C programs which can directly call software functions. I know of zero small shops who do this and just a few medium sized companies. I wish more companies would actually buy what they need and would put to good use but the fact is so many companies make do with software because it's cheaper but in the long run they have spent much more making up for inadequacies.

    NX 11.0.2
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    Qwan

    NX has many option and CAM is one, yes it is an integrated but if you don't buy it it is not included in your license, so option is the correct statement.

    there is NX for Design and there is NX for Manufacturing which includes cam

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    Have you asked the guys which system they would prefer as they would be the ones using it. Truthfully I would find the one that has the best support, and training materials are readily available and one that is widely used in your area so you have a larger labor pool to choose from if need be.

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    We fought issues for years then went with Patrick at OneCNC West. Have had great luck not only yhe software but his customer service after the sale is the best we have ever had with anything. No maintenance, hidden costs, buggy software,etc. We have 2 axis lathe,3 axis mill, and a forth that we haven't got yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by len_1962 View Post
    Qwan

    NX has many option and CAM is one, yes it is an integrated but if you don't buy it it is not included in your license, so option is the correct statement.

    there is NX for Design and there is NX for Manufacturing which includes cam
    It's really a license choice. Aside from CAM Express, basically all Siemens NX CAM bundles have a high level of cam and cad capabilities out of the box with a little variances between them. Most of my bundles are old mach3 licenses which have pretty much everything the current licenses have. The exception being the turbine impeller option but my licenses have everything else; 3,4 and 5 axis milling, turning, wire edm. Also have full blown modeling and assemblies with the exception of the high end shape studio. The latter might be included the current cam licenses, not sure.

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    I would request a demo from a couple of the choices you listed. Set up an appointment and send the reseller a couple of your programs and files. See if they can duplicate your programs with their software. Then I would talk about training and support, possible need some customize posts to generate your programs the way you want to see them. Cost is a big factor but don't go too cheap with software because it will bite you later on.

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    So why did you take Mastercam off the list?

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    I second the choice of OneCNC. You'll never find better support that what you get from Patrick at OneCNC West, period! The program is easy to use, never had a crash, the best 4 axis I've ever used, and is reasonably priced. Patrick has sales now and then, so I'm betting he can get you a good deal, too.


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