Requesting 3D machine tool CAD models

cpm10v · Sep 10, 2011

Any of you have experience interacting w/ machine tool manufacturers in getting 3D solid models of a machine tool (that you own)? Where I work we have (3) large machining centers I'd like to get solid models of; an '06 Nomura horizontal boring mill, '06 SNK double column machining center and '06 Fuji Seiki dual spindle machining center.

I plan on contacting the distributor used for the original purchase first (OEM after that) but just wanted to find out how likely they provide models (or have to pay).

sfriedberg · Sep 10, 2011

I'm curious what your use for a solid model is. What level of detail do you need modeled? Do you need articulation for exposed moving components? Do you need explicit modeling of required-free-air access volumes for loading, etc.? Are you doing high-quality renders for some customer/public relations purpose? Are you intended to use the solid model in lieu of a parts or repair diagram?

Footprints and elevations are certainly necessary. I'd like to understand how a solid model (as opposed to conventional drawings) is contributing to planning or operating your shop.

DMF_TomB · Sep 11, 2011

3d cad models of machines

a 3d drawing of a Bridgeport type mill
Turret Knee Bridgeport Mill
.
a cad model of a lathe
Geared Head Lathe
.
you should not expect detailed CAD models of any machines you own. Most manufacturers supply drawings as a way of selling spare parts. Detailed Cad models are considered intellectual property and if you wanted to purchase detailed CAD models it might cost you many millions of dollars.
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Kurt vise has free cad models of their vises if your register you name / email
Brochures, Videos & Downloads - Kurt Workholding - Kurt Workholding
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i suppose they consider vises less of a trade secret and rely more on the quality of the product they make to sell their product. you might find vises cheaper but i always find they sell a good quality product for a reasonable price
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i find if you take a few pictures of the machine with a ruler or scale in the picture it is not hard to make a CAD model of the profile of the outside of the machine

Dan B · Sep 12, 2011

FYI...Hermle provides detailed 3D CAD files of their machines for use for CAM machine simulation. You need to sign and return a non-disclosure agreement which means you can't share them.

Dan

DDoug · Sep 12, 2011

I have gotten both.

When I was doing machine foundations, I asked for (and our buyer had
to twist some arms) and got a CAD file of the floor bolt locations.

The worst (as far as push back) was an un-named POS bridgemill
(discussed here before) and I explained I only need the floor bolt
locations, and some of the base casting to fit floor plate around
(it was sunk in the floor 2') They ended up sending me the whole
machine model, complete with ballscrews. (and they where worried
about us stealing their designs.....)

Other time was a new "turn/mill" and I asked for (and got with no
problems) the machine complete (in 3-d) to build my fixturing on.

cpm10v · Sep 12, 2011

I'll report back here and let you know if I was successful or not. For what they paid for these machines they should hand over the 3D models. I want the models for designing and laying out machining fixtures (for large weldments). Thanks for the info everyone.

cpm10v · Sep 28, 2011

Found out from SNK that for the low low price of $12,250 I can buy the solid model of our SNK RB-4V. This model was just a "visual" model, no internals modeled. For that price, I'd think it'd be the whole thing (not that that is really needed). Needless to say, I'll model the table, columns & bridge myself.

DMF_TomB · Sep 29, 2011

cad model not free

cpm10v said:
Found out from SNK that for the low low price of $12,250 I can buy the solid model of our SNK RB-4V. This model was just a "visual" model, no internals modeled. For that price, I'd think it'd be the whole thing (not that that is really needed). Needless to say, I'll model the table, columns & bridge myself.

i would take pictures with a ruler or scale in the picture for a reference.

JCarroll · Sep 30, 2011

Kinematics Model

cpm10v said:
Found out from SNK that for the low low price of $12,250 I can buy the solid model of our SNK RB-4V. This model was just a "visual" model, no internals modeled. For that price, I'd think it'd be the whole thing (not that that is really needed). Needless to say, I'll model the table, columns & bridge myself.

I've got a Nicolas Correa FP-5050 5-Axis modelled.
The travels are similar and you could alter it.
X-197,Y-149,78x 197 Table

JCarroll · Oct 2, 2011

Here is a partial list of the models I have.
MOst ara Paraso;ids.
Some are .StL files.
Bridgeport 5Axis T/R
Bridgeport 5Axis Trunion
CHIRON_FZ22_5X_Trunion
CHIRON_FZ15S T/R
NICOLAS_CORREA_FP50
MCM_5AXES_CU
MCM-CLOCK_CU
DMC-200U
DMU_50_EVO_LINEAR
DMU_50 EVOLUTION
DMU70V
DMU_80P
DMU_125P
DMU100T
ENSHU ES450
FADAL 4525 TR165
FADAL 6565 TR165
FORREST-LINE_MINUMAC
HAAS_VF4
HAAS-VF4SS
HASS VF6 TRUNION
HAAS VR11B
HARDINGE-VMC-1000II
HERMLE_C30U
Hermle HC800U
Hermle HC1200U
HurcoVM2_4X
Hurco_VMX_24_T/R
HURCO_VTXU_5X
HURCO BMC30
HURON_K2X20F
HURON_KX8_FIVE
HURON_KX100
JOBS_LYNX_I
JOBS_243
KIA_VX500
MAM-72-5AXIS
Matec5Ax
MAZAK VARIAXIS 500
MAZAK VARIAXIS 630
MAZAK VARIAXIS 730
MAZAK VTC800_Horizontal
MCM_1600V_5X
MIKRON_HSM400_U
MIKRON_HSM600-U
MIKRON UCP
MIKRON_UCP600_VARIO
MIKRON-HSM-800-DURO
MITSUI_SEIKI_VERTEX550
MITSUI_SEIKI_UGV_5A
MORI_SEIKI_M_400
MoriSeiki_GV503
Mori_Seiki_NT4250_1000_CSZ
Mori-Seiki_NMV_5000
OKK VP600_5X
OKK VP600_4X
OKK VP600
Okuma_MCM
Okuma_MU400VA_5X
REIDEN_BFR_10
ROEDERS_RFM600DS
ROKU ROKU HC-658
ROKU ROKU HC-658 TSUDAKOMA 5X
ROKU ROKU HC-658 NIKKEN 130 5X
RAMBAUDI_RAMSPEED_RB
ROMI_DISCOVERY_560
ROMI_DISCOVERY_1250
ROSILIO C755
ROSILIO C850
DNK PC_60-5 PROFILER
QUINTAX_BC_ROUTER
Thermwood Model 67
VERNIER_CH320
VICTOR_550V
WILLEMIN MACODELW408S
WOTAN_WOMATH-H3
YASDA_V40i
YASDA_H40i

Don't contact me privately.
It's annoying.

JCarroll · Oct 2, 2011

It is

Here you go.
And a bonus for the masochists among the group is included.
LOL

JCarroll · Oct 2, 2011

The system wouldn't take the upload.
See ya'

BRIAN1468 · Oct 25, 2011

Came across this thread and am interested in the MAZAK VARIAXIS 500 STl/parasolid models you have. i am a machinist in IL. trying to get NC simulation using Mastercam.We have this machine on it's way.

DMF_TomB · Oct 29, 2011

upload 3d cad models

JCarroll said:
Here is a partial list of the models I have.
MOst ara Paraso;ids.
Some are .StL files.
Bridgeport 5Axis T/R
Bridgeport 5Axis Trunion
CHIRON_FZ22_5X_Trunion
CHIRON_FZ15S T/R
NICOLAS_CORREA_FP50
MCM_5AXES_CU
MCM-CLOCK_CU
DMC-200U
DMU_50_EVO_LINEAR
DMU_50 EVOLUTION
DMU70V
DMU_80P
DMU_125P
DMU100T
ENSHU ES450
FADAL 4525 TR165
FADAL 6565 TR165
FORREST-LINE_MINUMAC
HAAS_VF4
HAAS-VF4SS
HASS VF6 TRUNION
HAAS VR11B
HARDINGE-VMC-1000II
HERMLE_C30U
Hermle HC800U
Hermle HC1200U
HurcoVM2_4X
Hurco_VMX_24_T/R
HURCO_VTXU_5X
HURCO BMC30
HURON_K2X20F
HURON_KX8_FIVE
HURON_KX100
JOBS_LYNX_I
JOBS_243
KIA_VX500
MAM-72-5AXIS
Matec5Ax
MAZAK VARIAXIS 500
MAZAK VARIAXIS 630
MAZAK VARIAXIS 730
MAZAK VTC800_Horizontal
MCM_1600V_5X
MIKRON_HSM400_U
MIKRON_HSM600-U
MIKRON UCP
MIKRON_UCP600_VARIO
MIKRON-HSM-800-DURO
MITSUI_SEIKI_VERTEX550
MITSUI_SEIKI_UGV_5A
MORI_SEIKI_M_400
MoriSeiki_GV503
Mori_Seiki_NT4250_1000_CSZ
Mori-Seiki_NMV_5000
OKK VP600_5X
OKK VP600_4X
OKK VP600
Okuma_MCM
Okuma_MU400VA_5X
REIDEN_BFR_10
ROEDERS_RFM600DS
ROKU ROKU HC-658
ROKU ROKU HC-658 TSUDAKOMA 5X
ROKU ROKU HC-658 NIKKEN 130 5X
RAMBAUDI_RAMSPEED_RB
ROMI_DISCOVERY_560
ROMI_DISCOVERY_1250
ROSILIO C755
ROSILIO C850
DNK PC_60-5 PROFILER
QUINTAX_BC_ROUTER
Thermwood Model 67
VERNIER_CH320
VICTOR_550V
WILLEMIN MACODELW408S
WOTAN_WOMATH-H3
YASDA_V40i
YASDA_H40i

Don't contact me privately.
It's annoying.

if your serious about sharing upload 1 at a time to
Free 3D Models, Free CAD Models
....the site will then convert to different Cad file formats as requested by anyone downloading

JCarroll · Oct 30, 2011

I'm not serious about much af anything but I've provided simulators and CAD models several times as the result of the original exchange.

What bugs me is the system here to allow members to contact one another.
I'd prefer not to have to log in and read a message.
I also only respond to what I consider to be legitemate request from people with an actual use for what I provide.
At least generally.

Was there something you needed, Tom?
Get me a proper electronic adress if that is the case and I'll provide a seriously useful response if I can.

Speedie · Oct 30, 2011

JCarroll said:
I'm not serious about much af anything but I've provided simulators and CAD models several times as the result of the original exchange.

What bugs me is the system here to allow members to contact one another.
I'd prefer not to have to log in and read a message.
I also only respond to what I consider to be legitemate request from people with an actual use for what I provide.
At least generally.

Was there something you needed, Tom?
Get me a proper electronic adress if that is the case and I'll provide a seriously useful response if I can.

You build 3d models for use in cam systems but arent use to how 99% of forums work? How good are your models? Can you post up a pic of one?

JCarroll · Oct 30, 2011

Here is a DMU 50 Linear.
Convenience and comprehension aren't the same thing.

Speedie · Oct 31, 2011

Not all that impressive but I bet its functional. How close are you on the spindle and trunnion?

JCarroll · Oct 31, 2011

Speedie said:
Not all that impressive but I bet its functional. How close are you on the spindle and trunnion?

It looks like a builders model so I imagine they are pretty accurate.
I'd be surprised, in fact, if they weren't.
The EVO Linears come with a coup;e of different spindle options.
I don't model these things up myself.
Not as a rule anyway.

IAMATT · Oct 31, 2011

I will trade you a TR65 fadal trunnion table for your 6535 fadal (with full tree)

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