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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Just to throw this thread a little more into the weeds ... what do you think is "the best" CAD software ?
    Well I still use Cadkey99, still extremely capable and fast, but for best CAD software I've used it would have to be NX

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Just to throw this thread a little more into the weeds ... what do you think is "the best" CAD software ?
    you just want to watch the world burn, dontcha? lol

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    In regards to the Autodesk vs Dassault vs Siemens thing, it doesn't really matter (to me) who is the biggest. I was just trying to point out that Fusion360 is run by a world-class company that has a ton of money, and is way bigger than the vast majority of CAM companies.

    It seems like AD's plan for Fusion 360 is to become a pay-as-you-go CAM platform that incorporates the ease of simple programming in Fusion360 with the capabilities of PowerMILL and FeatureCAM. We can only speculate as to whether that will ever be realized, but I think it is foolish to dismiss Fusion 360 as just a "hobbyist" software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    what do you think is "the best" CAD software ?
    NX is pretty fucking amazing. I rushed into buying it for the CAM side because it has some unique tricks up it's sleeve. I've fallen *hard* for the CAD side since though. Like all things NX, you want to pull your hair out at first because there are so many tools and options and settings. Then you go do something really difficult (like a ruled surface swept along two guides where you need the UVs to match the tool for a 4th axis cut)... and NX just chews it up and spits perfection out.

    NX CAD is to SolidWorks what SolidWorks is to Fusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    NX is pretty fucking amazing. I rushed into buying it for the CAM side because it has some unique tricks up it's sleeve. I've fallen *hard* for the CAD side since though. Like all things NX, you want to pull your hair out at first because there are so many tools and options and settings. Then you go do something really difficult (like a ruled surface swept along two guides where you need the UVs to match the tool for a 4th axis cut)... and NX just chews it up and spits perfection out.

    NX CAD is to SolidWorks what SolidWorks is to Fusion.
    one of these days i need to make the jump

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    Quote Originally Posted by boosted View Post
    It seems like AD's plan for Fusion 360 is to become a pay-as-you-go CAM platform that incorporates the ease of simple programming in Fusion360 with the capabilities of PowerMILL and FeatureCAM. We can only speculate as to whether that will ever be realized, but I think it is foolish to dismiss Fusion 360 as just a "hobbyist" software.
    I think two things are true:

    1- Everyone's number #1 complaint about Fusion (subscription) is going to be moot because everyone is moving towards subscription.

    2- Fusion is developing straightforward CAD/CAM to a complete feature set faster than the incumbents are making their software more efficient.

    If this is a big problem for you? Life is tough, get a helmet. Continue running SW2010 and MasterCAM X9 on your air gapped Pentium from a faraday caged basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    Continue running SW2010 and MasterCAM X9 ...
    If it does the job, monsewer, what's the complaint ? Why would you spend more money to get something you don't need ?

    Software doesn't wear out ....

    Quote Originally Posted by empwoer View Post
    you just want to watch the world burn, dontcha? lol
    Kinda But I am honestly interested .... personally, I'm not a cad ace. I can do it okay but do not have a favorite. For some stuff I like Cadkey 7, for other stuff an old parametric 2d thing from Computervision, rendered cool-looking impress-the-troops stuff Wildfire 2. I even have Studio Tools for really swoopy junk but am not artistic enough to do really swoopy junk so that's kind of a waste

    Nothing to compare with gkoenig's work so I am interested to see what people think now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    If it does the job, monsewer, what's the complaint ? Why would you spend more money to get something you don't need ?

    Software doesn't wear out ....


    Kinda But I am honestly interested .... personally, I'm not a cad ace. I can do it okay but do not have a favorite. For some stuff I like Cadkey 7, for other stuff an old parametric 2d thing from Computervision, rendered cool-looking impress-the-troops stuff Wildfire 2. I even have Studio Tools for really swoopy junk but am not artistic enough to do really swoopy junk so that's kind of a waste

    Nothing to compare with gkoenig's work so I am interested to see what people think now.
    you'll never get an answer you want, because there's no such thing as THE BEST package. they all have pitfalls and strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by empwoer View Post
    you'll never get an answer you want, because there's no such thing as THE BEST package. they all have pitfalls and strengths.
    But I am interested in hearing why, from users. gkoenig already explained why he thought NX was best, explanations like that are interesting and maybe illustrate what programs are better at which jobs.

    Why I should care I dunno, you're right about that I'm not going to change now, already have too much time invested ... idle curiosity, maybe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    1- Everyone's number #1 complaint about Fusion (subscription) is going to be moot because everyone is moving towards subscription.
    Solidworks announced a couple years ago that they would be switching to subscription. The entire user base screamed in unison that if that happened they would drop the product. Solidworks took a step back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boosted View Post
    In regards to the Autodesk vs Dassault vs Siemens thing, it doesn't really matter (to me) who is the biggest. I was just trying to point out that Fusion360 is run by a world-class company that has a ton of money, and is way bigger than the vast majority of CAM companies.

    It seems like AD's plan for Fusion 360 is to become a pay-as-you-go CAM platform that incorporates the ease of simple programming in Fusion360 with the capabilities of PowerMILL and FeatureCAM. We can only speculate as to whether that will ever be realized, but I think it is foolish to dismiss Fusion 360 as just a "hobbyist" software.
    Can't disagree with any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhajicek View Post
    Solidworks announced a couple years ago that they would be switching to subscription. The entire user base screamed in unison that if that happened they would drop the product. Solidworks took a step back.
    Narrator Voice: In 2025, SolidWorks moved to subscription only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    I think two things are true:

    1- Everyone's number #1 complaint about Fusion (subscription) is going to be moot because everyone is moving towards subscription.

    2- Fusion is developing straightforward CAD/CAM to a complete feature set faster than the incumbents are making their software more efficient.

    If this is a big problem for you? Life is tough, get a helmet. Continue running SW2010 and MasterCAM X9 on your air gapped Pentium from a faraday caged basement.
    I Have a perpetual licence to HSMWorks and actually considered switching to Subscription this year. This was because subscription would be half the price of my maintenance because they keep raising the price of the subscription and they are giving some aggressive pricing on switching for those of us with perpetual licencing.

    Then I looked on the Autodesk forums and representatives from Autodesk were basically saying there were no plans to upgrade HSMworks at all. All their improvements were going to Fusion and each of the new features would be an extra monthly cost. I suspect by the time Fusion is up to a Premium product to get the premium product you will be paying a premium price with each premium feature being an extra cost.

    So if you are right in 4-5 years when I figure I might start having problems with using the combo of SW2019 HSM2020 NX will be available on subscription.

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    I see NX is available on subscription but not with 3 or 5 axis milling and pricing is pretty high. I know NX is expensive but I think their pricing is still slanted towards perpetual licencing. I see Catia is available as Subscription as well but they don't post any pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    Narrator Voice: In 2025, SolidWorks moved to subscription only.
    2027: Solidworks acquired by Autodesk.

    2029: Solidworks discontinued.

    That's the pattern anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattnmaker View Post
    I see NX is available on subscription but not with 3 or 5 axis milling and pricing is pretty high. I know NX is expensive but I think their pricing is still slanted towards perpetual licencing. I see Catia is available as Subscription as well but they don't post any pricing.
    NX has technically always done subscriptions. You could buy 3 month licenses from the VAR. Lots of big-scale NX users will temporarily grow a team for a project and then contract it once finished. The only difference is that Siemens is now kinda offering that same deal on the website directly.

    Right now, Siemens is doing all the pieces required to move NX to subscriptions in a real way - continuous release, new license infrastructure, and (rumors) of a new template management system. NX is very customizable through CAD and CAM templates, but the underlying way of doing it is very old school UNIX (make a template file with this fussy name in X directory, go modify a config file in Y directory, reboot... it is awful). This is a chess game, and Siemens is moving all the pieces they need to.

    The other factor is that Simens PLM's cash cow is Teamcenter - which is basically sold as a subscription/partnership as it is. People buy the software, but the real revenue comes from the customization, support, and maintenance on it. That revenue gives Siemens the opportunity to open up NX CAD/CAM in a way SolidWorks or MasterCAM simply can't.

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    I looked up some videos on NX this evening and WOW does it ever kick Solidwork's ass in adding draft options. I have had quite a few jobs over the years where we have had to spend hours adding surfaces or other creative tricks to add positive draft. When I get some free time I am going to have to try a demo of NX. Last thing I want to do right now is spend more money on software but I keep hearing how good NX is. Looks like I need to test it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mTeryk View Post
    I've been progamming Mastercam daily for for a few years now. Been slowly learning Fusion 360 at home in that time.

    I'm sure there are many aspects of Fusion 360 that I am missing but I feel I have much more control over the toolpaths with Mastercam. I can control lead lead ins, lead outs, transitions and mid-operation retracts etc. with Mastercam to a degree that I can really minimize cutting air and optimize toolpaths. The backplot and verify utilities really help to highlight sub optimal code before I ever post much better than simulate does in Fusion 360.

    Fusion 360 really feels like a blunt tool. Sure it will make the same part but often I get tired of futzing with it and just accept sub optimal code rather than try and figure out how to fix it. Since I am typically making one or two parts at home it really doesn't matter but if I were making 10 to 20 on the clock I would be really annoyed.

    That being said, maybe if I spent as much time with Fusion 360 as Mastercam, I'd be better with it. I get the feeling they hide much of the functionality to simplify the user interface. I do like that the posts are written in JavaScript and easily customized rather that whatever monstrosity Mastercam uses.

    Teryk



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    This is my experience as well. My problem is I know MasterCAM because I spent so much time with it so it's little quirks and idiosyncrasies I don't even notice now. I just know exactly what steps to take to get what I want without thinking about it... mostly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattnmaker View Post
    I looked up some videos on NX this evening and WOW does it ever kick Solidwork's ass in adding draft options. I have had quite a few jobs over the years where we have had to spend hours adding surfaces or other creative tricks to add positive draft. When I get some free time I am going to have to try a demo of NX. Last thing I want to do right now is spend more money on software but I keep hearing how good NX is. Looks like I need to test it out.

    Look at Solid Edge while you are comparing. It does drafts nicely, kicks SWs butt in a lot of ways, Sort of like budget NX.

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    How does OneCNC compare to Mastercam and Fusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mud View Post
    Look at Solid Edge while you are comparing. It does drafts nicely, kicks SWs butt in a lot of ways, Sort of like budget NX.
    I was wondering about this also. I don't deal with draft too much but have never had a problem with Wildfire. Wheels are not very complicated tho.

    From the post, seems like "positive draft" is the trouble ? I have done that by accident a few times, it's not difficult (Just switch the arrow direction to change)


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