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    Quote Originally Posted by as9100d View Post
    I agree with you. Most if not all of those shops are under paid and deserve more. That was my point.

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    HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! And, you do work for a third party organization! OMG, that is fucking hilarious!

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    What third party organization?



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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    What is the most disruptive thing to happen to CAD/CAM in the last 5 years? Autodesk made it available for $500 a year to anyone who wanted it and basically nuked their VAR network. What some laggards call a "Toy" is actually putting a big hurt on revenue for everyone else who is having a very difficult time justifying why someone should pay 10x upfront and 4x per year maintenance - don't believe me? call your SolidWorks var around maintenance time and ask they why you shouldn't switch to Fusion if you want to hear a stream of bullshit and FUD.
    No, what is the most disruptive thing that happened to CAM for me was AutoDICKS bought DelCAM.
    And, are trying to force me on subscription for software that I have already shelled out $20k for. I AM THE CAVEAT to your argument.
    Starting from scratch, with zero previous investment? Sure, I agree with about 99% of what you are saying about Fusion.
    When AutoDICKS refunds me my $20k, I might even sign up. (this is just as much about principle, as it is money).
    The only reason I am still on a maintenance contract, and current with FeatureCAM is because they can't legally give me the boot. YET!
    But, I have no grand illusion that they wont fuck me over as soon as they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by as9100d View Post
    What third party organization?



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    Seriously?

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    Last I checked the department of the Navy and other various gov entities weren't 3rd party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by as9100d View Post
    Last I checked the department of the Navy and other various gov entities weren't 3rd party.

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    Xometry is indeed third party.

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    Xometry doesn't even account for 1% of my revenue. But it does keep two machines and two guys very busy. I'd be willing to bet that a small shop with 2 machines would love to have the cash flow we have from xometry.

    And the neat thing is... They can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelieking71 View Post
    No, what is the most disruptive thing that happened to CAM for me was AutoDICKS bought DelCAM.
    And, are trying to force me on subscription for software that I have already shelled out $20k for. I AM THE CAVEAT to your argument.
    Starting from scratch, with zero previous investment? Sure, I agree with about 99% of what you are saying about Fusion.
    When AutoDICKS refunds me my $20k, I might even sign up. (this is just as much about principle, as it is money).
    The only reason I am still on a maintenance contract, and current with FeatureCAM is because they can't legally give me the boot. YET!
    But, I have no grand illusion that they wont fuck me over as soon as they can.
    I came around a long time to agreeing with you that the Autodesk DelCAM strategy was a real shit show and that you clearly got a bum deal.

    I also think that it is true, from the Autodesk perspective, that they executed a big strategy - moving to software as a service - that was destined to be an OK deal for most, a great deal for some, and for a small number of customers was going to be a real screwing over. DelCAM was always a high-tilt piece of software with most users being Really Big Company outfits (much like in the position I am in with NX), and any strategy Autodesk came up with for small-scale DelCAM customers was going to be a shit show.

    What Autodesk should have done is put some work into identifying DelCAM customers at your scale and made some off-the-program side deals to not screw you over. Unfortunatly, Autodesk is a big ass company that isn't nimble enough to do such things, and so here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    I came around a long time to agreeing with you that the Autodesk DelCAM strategy was a real shit show and that you clearly got a bum deal.

    I also think that it is true, from the Autodesk perspective, that they executed a big strategy - moving to software as a service - that was destined to be an OK deal for most, a great deal for some, and for a small number of customers was going to be a real screwing over. DelCAM was always a high-tilt piece of software with most users being Really Big Company outfits (much like in the position I am in with NX), and any strategy Autodesk came up with for small-scale DelCAM customers was going to be a shit show.

    What Autodesk should have done is put some work into identifying DelCAM customers at your scale and made some off-the-program side deals to not screw you over. Unfortunatly, Autodesk is a big ass company that isn't nimble enough to do such things, and so here we are.

    When mice dance with elephants, it rarely works out well for the mouse.
    I disagree ref Autodesk thinking hard about this - IMHO the only thing they've thought hard about is how to generate the most revenue.
    History has proven they do not give a flying fuk about their customers.
    Or their resellers.
    Look at Generic CAD back in the day, and there was a software vault company they bought around that time too - and they both soon dissapeared.
    Their plan with Delcam/Featurecam is to port the paths into Fusion, and make Fusion the all-singing-all-dancing king of the ring.
    They need to hurry up IMO and also have a plan for all the Delcam customers that need ITAR compliance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mud View Post
    Look at Solid Edge while you are comparing. It does drafts nicely, kicks SWs butt in a lot of ways, Sort of like budget NX.
    I will have to take a look. Fan blades, propellers, impellers, and some other things we do can get tricky adding draft. Flat partings are relatively easy but even there sometimes if you have a tall feature beside a short feature you may want a larger draft angle on the short feature and a smaller angle on the tall one. With Solidworks the size stays the same at your reference surface which means if you use the parting line as the reference surface which you have to do on an offset parting, the part ends up undersize.

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    Hello when I write a program on cad am fusion 360 load to machine a run it it stops and the machine goes into feed hold why is this please

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    Quote Originally Posted by texy View Post
    Hello when I write a program on cad am fusion 360 load to machine a run it it stops and the machine goes into feed hold why is this please
    According to the masses here, I’m sure it’s because Fusion is cloud based and that actual Feed rates are an add-on


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    Quote Originally Posted by texy View Post
    Hello when I write a program on cad am fusion 360 load to machine a run it it stops and the machine goes into feed hold why is this please
    Could be a lot of things, your post, your control are you DNCing to machine, aka spoon feeding via rs232? Need more info, what machine, what post are you using optional stop at control and it is seeing M1 in the post???

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    Quote Originally Posted by texy View Post
    Hello when I write a program on cad am fusion 360 load to machine a run it it stops and the machine goes into feed hold why is this please

    Are you in single block mode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattnmaker View Post
    With Solidworks the size stays the same at your reference surface which means if you use the parting line as the reference surface which you have to do on an offset parting, the part ends up undersize.
    I'm a little puzzled about this limitation but before I open mouth / make self fool do you have any sort of illustration of this problem ?

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    I made a quick model to show what I am talking about. The part on the top is before adding draft the second is after I used the parting line draft. I added much more draft than I would normally add for visualization. The size has remained the same at the parting line rather than at the outermost features. Typically I would add material rather than remove material when adding draft. This part is simple enough I could just move the face outward by the draft distance before adding draft but it is usually much more complicated than that. From what I have seen in online training videos, with NX and Catia they allow you to have your reference geometry (which is what remains the same) different from your parting line.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails parting-line-draft-2-copy.jpg   parting-line-draft-1-copy.jpg  

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    ^ Thanks for going to that trouble. I am pretty sure Wahldfahr can do this as well but will check after the holiday (if they allow us back into the city ... beijing and shanghai are now closed to entry until this virus thing blows over.)

    You might also look at Cimatron ? Santa Cruz Mike used to go on at great length about how great that was for handling parting lines.

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    This is an interesting thread ( pause for the shameless plug )


    Here's some 5 Axis Mill Turn from BobCAM



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    @aldepoalo, how is this contributing to the thread??? Verging on spam if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harri View Post
    @aldepoalo, how is this contributing to the thread??? Verging on spam if you ask me.
    I am not sure that it's adding a whole lot of value, other than showing another CAM vendor that isn't Autodesk that is capable of the kind of work the OP wants to do.
    Last edited by aldepoalo; 01-30-2020 at 11:20 AM. Reason: that's to that


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