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    Default What are We Subscribing To

    Consumers aren’t thrilled with subscription services and here’s why.
    • No physical asset
    • Exceed your credit card limits due to limited funds
    • Too many subscriptions
    • A risky, binding, long-term relationship
    • Confidential information goes to the cloud
    • Time-sensitive support may feel haphazard
    • To terminate means to sacrifice your access to all previous programs
    • To terminate means a loss of investment
    • You must stay connected to the internet
    • Interruption of service jeopardizes fulfillment of your customer’s needs
    • No control over overinflated fees
    I would rather be an owner.

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    Interesting first post.

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    Wait for it...

    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj View Post
    Interesting first post.

    Indeed, it is.
    BUT!
    Can anyone refute the points made? ( except for 2 and 3 )

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    That post makes me want to buy 1CAM!!!

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    Dilly dilly!!

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    Wow my coffee cup is now empty..be right back..or not?
    guess in a future search one might look up "What"


    a lot of threads are on that..

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    Some valid points,but........
    In Before The Lock

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    Valid points, sure. But we've been down this road 100x in this forum. No need to start a new thread to beat this horse some more.

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    I believe we all know why this thread was started, and it has nothing to do with horses, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by precisionmetal View Post
    I believe we all know why this thread was started, and it has nothing to do with horses, LOL.
    Not horses, but pigs. Spam is made with pork.

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    The only argument that matters here is that software packages stuck in the old up-front model are watching revenue decline substantially, while ones offering subscription are gaining market share. For all the smack talk - huge numbers of users are voting with their wallets and Fusion is increasingly taking share away from SolidWorks.

    I now get one general SolidWorks email a day, plus 2-3 more per week begging me to go back on maintenance. This was after my maintenance sub lapsed for 9 months and they wanted to back charge me $2000, plus the upcoming year for $2000, plus a $900 penalty fee for daring to go off. Their revenue is a lagging indicator, and they now see the writing on the wall.

    Oddly enough, my recently purchased NX seat, it's obvious Siemens has none of those issues. Revenue for them is doing just fine, and they are continuing to pour big money into keeping NX moving forward with a bunch of cool stuff. I'm guessing the CATIA is in the same boat - big, serious users are a decade away from going subscription, and the switch in that realm will never have the absurd cost asymmetry of SolidWorks vs. Fusion.

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    "Thread: What are We Subscribing To" ?

    Obviously not what you are:
    1. shoveling
    2. smoking
    3. Standing in

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    The only argument that matters here is that software packages stuck in the old up-front model are watching revenue decline substantially, while ones offering subscription are gaining market share. For all the smack talk - huge numbers of users are voting with their wallets and Fusion is increasingly taking share away from SolidWorks.
    If you're gonna start running your mouth again you should at least know what the fuck you're talking about. SolidWorks declining substantially? Who told you that? Here's 3DS' revenue for just SolidWorks for the past 14 years (in millions of euros).

    FY 2005 FY 2006 FY 2007 FY 2008 FY 2009 FY 2010 FY 2011 FY 2012 FY 2013 FY 2014 FY 2015 FY 2016 FY 2017 FY 2018
    198.6 232.6 252.3 276.2 260.8 311.5 341.0 403.2 409.5 447.7 569.8 626.0 695.8 742.5

    Weird, doesn't look to be declining at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goooose View Post
    If you're gonna start running your mouth again you should at least know what the fuck you're talking about. SolidWorks declining substantially? Who told you that? Here's 3DS' revenue for just SolidWorks for the past 14 years (in millions of euros).

    Weird, doesn't look to be declining at all.

    Weird how when you show YoY revenue growth, it is crashing:

    2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018
    6.3 38.2 122.1 56.2 69.8 46.7

    They had shitty growth through FY13 and FY14, but then the economy picked up and they got a fat bump in FY15. The difference between now and then is that the manufacturing economy is doing extremely well, and SW revenue growth is in a downturn of ~33%. That isn't good, and the 3DS knows exactly where that number is coming from, and it won't be coming back without some major changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    .. Fusion is increasingly taking share away from ...

    big, serious users are a decade away from going subscription, and the switch in that realm will never have the absurd cost asymmetry of SolidWorks vs. Fusion.
    Well then!
    When do you think Fusion becomes the De-Facto standard to which all serious users start bowing down to and become an annual subscriber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeymourDumore View Post
    Well then!
    When do you think Fusion becomes the De-Facto standard to which all serious users start bowing down to and become an annual subscriber?
    Define 'serious users'?

    Remember when Microsoft Office was $600, with upgrades for $200 every couple of years, and anyone with a computer *had* to have a copy if you wanted to get any work done, and it was bloated, and it was ugly, and everyone only used about 10% of the feature set, but we all ponied up for it because it was The Standard, and we all had to be able to open up a Word doc?

    Then Google Docs came along, and it could open a Word doc just fine, and while it only had 40% of the features, it more than covered the stuff 90% of everybody used.

    Now Microsoft Office is damn near free with any new computer, and if you need, you can subscribe to it for like $5 a month. And nobody gives a shit if you do because there are a half a dozen competent competitors to it, and they can all spit out or suck in a Word/Excel doc.

    That's the future of CAD/CAM.

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    Wow. A decrease in the rate of increase is "crashing"? Didn't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    Weird how when you show YoY revenue growth, it is crashing:

    2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018
    6.3 38.2 122.1 56.2 69.8 46.7

    They had shitty growth through FY13 and FY14, but then the economy picked up and they got a fat bump in FY15. The difference between now and then is that the manufacturing economy is doing extremely well, and SW revenue growth is in a downturn of ~33%. That isn't good, and the 3DS knows exactly where that number is coming from, and it won't be coming back without some major changes.
    Curiously, that was the time Autodesk announced their intent to go subscription-only by year's end....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkoenig View Post
    Weird how when you show YoY revenue growth, it is crashing:
    Heres all of Autodesk for the same period, I couldn't find numbers on Fusion alone. I've inserted your metrics below in the 3rd row...so if SolidWorks is 'crashing' then Autodesk has been nuked. (in millions of USD)

    2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018
    $1,239 $1,537 $1,840 $2,172 $2,315 $1,714 $1,952 $2,216 $2,312 $2,274 $2,512 $2,504 $2,031 $2,057
    $298 $303 $332 $143 -$601 $238 $264 $96 -$38 $238 -$8 -$473 $26

    ....can't wait for the 'ya but' on this one


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