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    Anyone know the weight and dimensions of a K&T model H? I read all the links and saw no mention.

    I don't know the series #, nor the h.p. (that damn secret society thing again, I guess)

    I do have the serial # 112 4381
    and the milwaukee ordnance # 4538
    I'm rolling out early in the morning, and would love to know everything I can.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider845 View Post
    Anyone know the weight and dimensions of a K&T model H? I read all the links and saw no mention.

    I don't know the series #, nor the h.p. (that damn secret society thing again, I guess)

    I do have the serial # 112 4381
    and the milwaukee ordnance # 4538
    I'm rolling out early in the morning, and would love to know everything I can.

    Thanks
    S/N is better in any case. They got heavier over time, same basic Model.

    AFAIK, John has "a book" - or more than one - that can even tell from S/N when a K&T was built, what production lot or batch and count, and to whom initially shipped.

    If he doesn't come back into this thread before you hit the road?

    I'll swag 5,000 to 6,000 lb Avoir just off the photo. And owning a 5205 Avoir USMT "Quartet" that cries itself to sleep at night WISHING it was a K&T - not just built with similar "wide-trak" ways and brute mass in strange places so it Looked like one... on acid.

    I did say "weird"? Why d'you s'pose I'm the guy who owns one?



    When I actually RAN K&T - or any OTHER mill - their weight never crossed my radar.

    They hadn't been moved in as much as 45 years, and some other Union Brother had the "Millwright" job classification and ten, twenty, ton - or better - travelers overhead, even they DID ever need to move one.

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    If I manage to get it home, bet it'll look pretty big next to this B&S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider845 View Post
    If I manage to get it home, bet it'll look pretty big next to this B&S.
    LOL!

    "next to" meaning you already bought the B&S? Hell-for-stout treehouse, but that at least rules out "moron", yah?



    K&T controls are nice enough to operate, but sorta like shagging a Russian lady bodybuilder as just happens to be a gymnast or ballerina as well. "Natural" enough you could focus on the goal, even if yah hadn't yet heard the word "ergonometric", but kinda makes yer friends a tad wary and extra polite anywhere near her sturdy bod, IOW.

    "condition, condition...." but the B&S you might learn to like even better, your work is only medium-sized.

    By 'em BOTH?

    I may have to take back about HALF of all the teasing I've done to fire yah up?

    Once those gals mellow you and put a grin or three on yer chin, you won't be sech an easy mark, anyway!


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    Yes, the B&S is already here. I went last night with my forklift. Had it out and loaded in 20 minutes.

    Loading the skid steer now, seeing it has a larger capacity with it's forks, and leaving in an hour for the K&T. Plans change pdq around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider845 View Post
    Yes, the B&S is already here. I went last night with my forklift. Had it out and loaded in 20 minutes.

    Loading the skid steer now, seeing it has a larger capacity with it's forks, and leaving in an hour for the K&T. Plans change pdq around here.
    Good on yah!

    Take an old tire. Even two. Makes chaining to it faster, easier, and safer.


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    How we roll....
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    B&S transport service.....
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    ...and the K&T is home.

    And, IT'S A UNIVERSAL TOO!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider845 View Post
    ...and the K&T is home.

    And, IT'S A UNIVERSAL TOO!!!!
    You are one lucky fu... ah... hmmm... "fortunate individual" too "flowery" for yah?

    I think yer meant to roast a goat or put on a pulled-pork BBQ to observe yer good fortune 'bout now?


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    Safe at home. Now I have to make room for both of them.
    Got a killer deal on it. Way better than originally negotiated by email and phone.

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    The no.2 unloaded.....

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    serial # 112 4381
    Its pecking order in Lot 4381 was #112. Lot total 125 - completed August 1943. Just says 2H Horizontal - so some plain, some universal - EVERY Universal went out the door with DH, its drive and all the change gears

    So OVER 112 in that one lot!! Serious days then - you went to work and you hoped things on the planet would be at least some better by the time you got done with your very long day

    1939 catalog say the 2H Universal weighed 3850 net - and they weighed more as the war years dragged by

    Probably find manual and parts in the 300 plus line item deal I posted else where (Vintage Machinery)

    2H is the medium size #2 from K&T. 2HL (about 3000) was ken to the LIGHT B&S, but if you had to have kick ass, you sprung for the 6000 Lb 2K

    ON EDIT:

    Add 2H pages from 1939 full line catalog
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails spec-sheet.jpg   picture.jpg  

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    Nice score on both machines. Also some great pics of the horizontals.

    Tons of fun and capability, favorite machines for me.

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    I'll have to line up the small(ish) douglas with these two. Would have been cool to put them next to the two burke no. 4's I just sold last week.


    ...too bad the K&T didn't have the DH and gears.

    I do have a cincinati DH, and the B&S has all the gears and dividing plates and the B&S tail stock, soooooooo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider845 View Post
    ..the two Burke no. 4's I just sold last week.
    LOL! The only greater contrast might be a Barker - converted to a high-speed milling ATTACHMENT to the "big girls"!

    And if you could "sell" a Burke #4, let alone a breeding PAIR?

    You should prolly go into politics. Or at least the used car biz?

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    I actually got $1200.00 a piece for them. Both had vertical heads, one a vise and power feed, the other a rotary table. I think I made out quite well. Though I must say, they were pretty nice little toys, but one sat in my shop untouched for 10+ years, the other bried in my garage for over 12.
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    So this is where they're going to live.

    I think. They're powered up and running, so we'll see how the layout works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider845 View Post
    I actually got $1200.00 a piece for them.
    You should be in Politics! I've never seen a Burke go that high.

    My one was $400. And a go-fetch in one of the prior MOPAR Caravans to..Washington, NY off metro DC. I'll prolly consider meself fortunate to get even what it cost me out of it when the day comes.

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    Yeah, one guy drove an hour for the first one, second guy drove 4 hours one way for the second. I honestly didn't have to put any effort into selling them, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider845 View Post
    Yeah, one guy drove an hour for the first one, second guy drove 4 hours one way for the second. I honestly didn't have to put any effort into selling them, either.
    I'd not have thought it remotely possible to get more than $500-$600 for a Burke #4 / B100-4. Not even fully tarted-up and with some basic #9 B&S goods.

    I should perhaps finish the mods to mine (DC motor & KB NEMA 4X cased control, DC gearmotor for "imitation-table" traverse), drop the little bugger into a salvaged Whisky barrel and age it in the wood to eventually fund me GI funeral!



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