Cincinnati serial number help please No 3 Horizontal

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GrantA

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• May 16, 2019

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Also is the mdna site the only source to buy the serial reference book? I didn't see any in ebay

I'm interested in a No3 Horizontal that has been neglected, serial is 2J3P1Y-6
Could someone please enlighten me with any info available from that?

Thanks!!
Grant


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johnoder

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• May 16, 2019

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2J is more or lesss model or series type

3 is size

P is plain, not universal (which would have swiveling table and be sold with dividing head and its drive system)

1Y is 1951

6 is number built so far in 1951

 

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GrantA

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Thanks John! I figured you'd be by soon, what spindle should it have? Here's a pic, it's pretty badly rusted. If I can get it I think I'll have to tear it down and do the works.

I think it would be a great companion for my No4 vertical though! I'm kinda hoping it might share a 50taper with the 4

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johnoder

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It will be NMTB 50 - which can be confirmed by its 5.0625" spindle nose flange diameter ( a NMTB 40 is only 3.625")

The rust will EASILY push off the cast iron with a semi dull way scraper - similar to the thumbnail

Second thumbnail the whole bed after suitable amounts of effort

 

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johnoder

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Might be similar - except I don't see a knee motor on yours

Note this pub specifically states for 2J serials

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/2097/15242.pdf

 

johnoder

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Here is a little older I suppose on the MI - no knee motor, but also not offered as a #3

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/2097/16343.pdf

 

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GrantA

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Thanks again John! The knee motor is on newer models right? So I suppose this would be an early 2J if the 2J publication shows a knee motor and this one doesn't have it.
I've got to work on the owner to see about getting it, hopefully I can work something out! If not it won't be for lack of trying!


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johnoder

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Next time near - see if it looks like something is missing on that side of knee. Good reason for its "disuse" if knee motor was off for problems and not resolved. Lack of pubs showing # 3 with no knee motor leaves us wondering

GrantA said:

Thanks again John! The knee motor is on newer models right? So I suppose this would be an early 2J if the 2J publication shows a knee motor and this one doesn't have it.
I've got to work on the owner to see about getting it, hopefully I can work something out! If not it won't be for lack of trying!


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GrantA

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I couldn't stand it, had to go ahead and check.
Doesn't look like anything is missing from that area

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johnoder

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Be aware of its amazing complexity. A slow cruise thru the 162 pdf ages above will show you all the systems - like hydraulic and lubrication - that all have to work perfectly. A slightly older no knee motor version will only be a tad simpler

The 162 pages has several SAFETY pages added as of October 1983 ( the reason for 162 pdf pages instead of the 155 pages of the manual), but otherwise we have no clue of its date, or the date of the older sales brochure on the no knee motor #2 machine - except to say that one predates both zip codes and area codes

 

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ratbldr427

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• May 19, 2019

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We had a #5 that was called a Duel Power and I saw one called a Hi Power.Ours was a '55.Maybe the difference was the separate knee motor? Ours had a separate knee motor.

One thing I was curious about was ours had the same table specs as a #6;if I remember 108" table with 60" travel,50Hp.
The book showed the #6 only a few hundred lb.s heavier so I wondered what was the difference? If there is no significant difference why make 2 models?