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    Quote Originally Posted by plastikdreams View Post
    We are an ornery bunch here, but we like to have fun too. Just because we poke fun at your shortcomings doesn't mean we are mean, it just means you gave us something to poke fun at. It happens to everyone, 3 posts or 3000 posts.
    LOL ... or even over 30,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear624 View Post
    I am grateful. I got what I asked for and I'm grateful for that. Thank you so much.

    The internet forums used to be just that, some still are. You get stuck on one little thing and ask someone online, as you would another mechanic in a shop and you get a quick answer that allows you to move on.

    I ran into this in motorcycle forums. Used to be easy, now a simple question about bearing preload and you get six flamers informing you how much of a stupid ass you are, three about your credibility as a mechanic and one that actually answers your question. I just don't understand how someone gets the urge to be a flamer on internet forums.

    It's like "Should I go into the shop and make more progress on my working 1/30th scale locomotive steam engine or should I scroll through postings so I can find some dude who is asking how to work their taper attachment and insult the hell out of them? Stupid question, of course I'm going to insult some dude in Iowa I've never met who's trying to learn."

    One mechanic that liked trying to humiliate me when I was starting out twenty-some years ago would take it so far as trying to set me up to be fired. He was addicted to crack, meth, alcohol and who knows what else. He was a miserable POS that wanted others to be as miserable as him. He got to running his mouth in a bar one night to some dude who beat him unconscious, dragged him out to the parking lot (in front of a crowd of people that didn't even try to stop him), ran a Harley over his leg and did a burn-out on it. It took a year before he could walk again. I guess some people are better off showing their true nature behind the safety of a keyboard.
    Nobody insulted you and you were not flamed. Get over it. You flew your own flag when you asked the questions you did and made statements about lathes that an experienced person would not make. I believe you did that to appear more informed on the subject than you were. So, if you must be upset, be upset with yourself. This experience should not make you angry. However, you should be embarrassed.

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    Post number 2 wasn’t exactly welcoming and it didn’t improve much from there...just keep your mouth shut if you’re not going to help a guy out when he’s clearly somewhat new. A post last week asking about speeds and feeds for drilling a 20mm hole like it was rocket science didn’t get this much flack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCByrd24 View Post
    Post number 2 wasn’t exactly welcoming and it didn’t improve much from there...just keep your mouth shut if you’re not going to help a guy out when he’s clearly somewhat new. A post last week asking about speeds and feeds for drilling a 20mm hole like it was rocket science didn’t get this much flack.
    WHAT "flack"?

    And what are you recommending?

    A posse should be sworn-in to gallop over and ADD "flack" to that other thread like dogs pissing on a fire-hydrant 'coz it was short-rationed, first go?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JCByrd24 View Post
    Post number 2 wasn’t exactly welcoming and it didn’t improve much from there...just keep your mouth shut if you’re not going to help a guy out when he’s clearly somewhat new. A post last week asking about speeds and feeds for drilling a 20mm hole like it was rocket science didn’t get this much flack.
    There are two things that upset me when it comes to a newbe. The first is a newbe that sells himself as knowledgeable and isn't. The second is a query here from someone that hasn't done his homework first. Out of respect for the huge amount of knowledge here on this forum some basic research should have been performed by the OP before posting the query here. That basic research does two things. It encourages the OP to compose his query more accurately and it also allows a better understanding of the replies he receives. This forum is not GOOGLE. It should be an information source of last resort. This tread's OP violated both.

    In your earlier post (#19), you stated that lathe is overpriced because it has rust on the ways. That single photo cannot possibly tell you that. That particular lathe in good condition is much better than most new lathes and much less expensive at its selling price especially because it has a TA and other equipment included. Further, its value is further increased because Leblond advertises its continued support of its older products. As I stated in reply (#17), no one can determine actual condition without an in depth inspection by a knowledgeable person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-l View Post
    There are two things that upset me when it comes to a newbe. The first is a newbe that sells himself as knowledgeable and isn't.
    Well, hang on a minute. Taking it on faith he's a better truck mechanic than a Machinist, OK. But that don't equate to "inexperienced" just different-experienced. He didn't claim "knowledgeable". The appearance of it was but an ACCIDENT out of lack of enough speciality knowledge to even know how little he knew.

    Same applies WITHIN the community. Big world. Many industrial specialities.

    MOST of us only know our own edge portion of it "well". One of the prime reasons we ALL come here is to borrow from the OTHER specialists 'coz we KNOW we need to know sumthin' or other more than we came in the door knowing.

    How is this Pilgrim any different?

    D'you know how I came to know the LeBlond Heavy Duty?

    Because a prospective employer aware I had come up off the shop floor and still loved mangling metal onct tried to BRIBE me with easy access to three brand-new and unused ones as a personal-use side benefit to an Executive job!

    Yah. weird.

    They had bought them but went straight to 100% outside contracting, had no need, nor had even hired appropriate staff to run 'em.

    Lovely near-virgins weren't making much but fancy shifter knobs for staffer's hot-rods, three whole years after rig-in and commissioning.

    Tempting. But then... there was prejudice. I didn't know the Heavy Duty WELL. only what I had read in the trade magazines, those waaay pre-internet days. Didn't know much about Monarchs's nor a hundred other machines, those days, either.

    Been Lodge & Shipley AVS's or ATW Pacemakers? I mought have done it!

    We had run so many wore-out second or fifth-hand ones ones as still made good parts, we figured only GOD ever had the NEW ones!


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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-l View Post
    There are two things that upset me when it comes to a newbe. The first is a newbe that sells himself as knowledgeable and isn't. The second is a query here from someone that hasn't done his homework first. Out of respect for the huge amount of knowledge here on this forum some basic research should have been performed by the OP before posting the query here. That basic research does two things. It encourages the OP to compose his query more accurately and it also allows a better understanding of the replies he receives. This forum is not GOOGLE. It should be an information source of last resort. This tread's OP violated both.

    In your earlier post (#19), you stated that lathe is overpriced because it has rust on the ways. That single photo cannot possibly tell you that. That particular lathe in good condition is much better than most new lathes and much less expensive at its selling price especially because it has a TA and other equipment included. Further, its value is further increased because Leblond advertises its continued support of its older products. As I stated in reply (#17), no one can determine actual condition without an in depth inspection by a knowledgeable person.
    This is an Internet forum not some sort of accredited institution. A forum is only as good as its members. There should be no presumption of respect or that any long standing member is correct (same for any forum). Just the opposite in fact, again it’s the internet. This guy was asking about Leblonds not grizzlys and you ran him outta here here, great first impression. This is the right place to ask about Leblond lathes and you didn’t even give him a chance to respect the forum because he was greeted by a couple of people determined to be jerks.

    I gave my opinion about the lathe in question, more on topic than most of the thread. Because it’s a forum you have every right to disagree and discuss. I agree with you 100% no one can determine actual condition without an in depth inspection. Because of that I think it’s worth less than a lathe the seller has been using and can demo under power. Condition already known. Yes that lathe in good condition would be great. How much do you want to gamble it actually is?

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    What have we learned today?

    Apparently, the less experienced you are, the fewer questions you are allowed to ask.That seems backwards to how I ran a shop. In a shop, a rookie that doesn't ask questions is someone too proud to seek knowledge and leaves a trail of disaster. That's the dude I'm quickest to show the door.

    If you don't lead with "I have never worked as a machinist and am in my late 40's just getting started so I can stop farming out my machine work like I've been doing for two decades." Then you're a dick and deserve to be humiliated.

    Apparently there's a lot of people here that think they've learned everything there is to know about machine work and therefore have the right to ridicule newcomers because they assume there isn't anyone looking at them as barely knowing what they are talking about from their lack of experience. If it's that easy to become that knowledgeable about everything there is to know in one's lifetime then machinist is a much easier profession to master than being a mechanic.

    As a mechanic you start out knowing you know nothing, then you learn a ton of stuff and get cocky thinking you know it all. Then you reach A-grade pay and realize you just now have a glimpse of how much you don't know and spend the rest of you life humble and trying to learn. I always assumed just understanding basic metallurgy involved in machine work was more challenging than building truck engines and diagnosing computer systems.

    I never stated anything about my experience in machine work. What you assume about me is your fault alone. I'm not self-deprivating enough to throw out all the negative qualities about myself into my introduction. You would have to be pretty arrogant to expect that of me.

    Again, I got my answers. I appreciate that and thank you very much.

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    I thought this was done and over with...buy the lathe and have fun with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastikdreams View Post
    I thought this was done and over with...buy the lathe and have fun with it
    My job. Sometimes it takes a week for me to have any time to look at a computer.


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