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    I’d rather have a tracer than a taper attachment. Taper attachments cant be used for high speed threading, also easy to cut tapers using a sample tool as a master vs breaking down your setup to put the master between centers and indicating the CL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmbmxer View Post
    Iíd rather have a tracer than a taper attachment. Taper attachments cant be used for high speed threading, also easy to cut tapers using a sample tool as a master vs breaking down your setup to put the master between centers and indicating the CL.
    Interesting points.
    Iím also space constrained. Most of the tracer attachments Iíve seen take up a lot more space.
    Iíve never used a tracer before, so Iím wondering how temperamental they are.

    My friend has a Bridgeport tracer mill that Iíve never once seen get used in over 20 years.

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    I see no point in either the tracer or taper attachment for a manual lathe.

    I've never used the taper attachments on any of my lathes current or prior. I could have a few times, but it was much simpler to make those parts on CNC's. The issue with the taper attachments is they are all crudded up because you never use them. You have to excavate the thing and clean it all up. A half day of cleaning for 20 minutes of work. CNC makes way more sense.

    I think I would add a servo powerfeed to the compound before I'd worry about a taper attachment or tracer.

    Given some time I'm sure you'll find a good old heavy lathe in decent shape. Having looked at a lot of them I find the later ones with toolsteel insert ways typically fare better than the WWII and older ones.


    The Mazak/Hercules lathes are garbage. They're right there with the big Chinese POS things. Okuma made some really nice heavier manual lathes, but they are very few.

    I've seen a few large, late LeBlonds that looked the part, but they sure are ugly.

    Have you ever run a wanted ad on craigslist? Before I bought my long bed Pacemaker I ran a few WTB ads looking for a longer Axelson. I got a handful of responses, but didn't actually make a deal on any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpseguin View Post
    The problem I'm running into is that many of the lathes that I am looking at have worn looking ways or have massive tracer attachments on them, some of which are integral and not easy or even possible to remove.

    Don't overlook Toolmex/Polamco Wafum lathes. The TUR50 / TUR63 are up to 24" or so, have rapid traverse, gaps, w/ or w/o nice taper attachments, high spindle speeds, D1-spindles metric and inch threading, and suited to close work. I have a TUG40 18" machine that has had 40 years of hard use with heavy cutting here and still does .0002" w/o issue. They didn't spare the iron when pouring these, and the finishing is excellent. I love the control layout on mine.

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    If I didnít already have my P&W thereís a good chance Iíd be making a road trip for this PowerTurn. Big and small steady rest, tool post, (2) chucks/wrench and a taper attachment. Itís at HGR so you never know what youíre getting but for $3k.....it might be worth it?

    Used Lodge & Shipley Lodge & Shipley 16" Powerturn Lathe | HGR Industrial...

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    As I just stated on another L&S thread, I found another, new to me, use of my L&S PT lathe. Last week I had to broach a 10 mm internal keyway in a 80 mm bore and my arbor press was too short for the broach, so I used the L&S tail stock. It worked perfectly, although I do have a two speed quill. These are amazing machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-l View Post
    As I just stated on another L&S thread, I found another, new to me, use of my L&S PT lathe. Last week I had to broach a 10 mm internal keyway in a 80 mm bore and my arbor press was too short for the broach, so I used the L&S tail stock. It worked perfectly, although I do have a two speed quill. These are amazing machines.

    Nice!!
    Iím jealous!

    Iím wondering about my not so great concrete garage floor which already has a few cracks in it.
    If I could make machinery levitate, I could redo the whole floor with appropriate thickness concrete AND with rebar in it.
    But, I guess I could pull out a few machines to pour a pad where a heavier lathe would go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobby Shop View Post
    If I didnít already have my P&W thereís a good chance Iíd be making a road trip for this PowerTurn. Big and small steady rest, tool post, (2) chucks/wrench and a taper attachment. Itís at HGR so you never know what youíre getting but for $3k.....it might be worth it?

    Used Lodge & Shipley Lodge & Shipley 16" Powerturn Lathe | HGR Industrial...
    Thanks for the tip!
    Looks interesting.
    I contacted them for more details.
    1.3Ē diam spindle thru hole is smaller than Iíd prefer.
    It looks like an L1 spindle nose, which is definitely better than A1

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    Default Heavier Toolroom Lathes: Monarch vs Lodge & Shipley vs American vs ...

    Iím still looking!

    Is there a rating/ranking/review system for machinery dealers?
    Is Yoder Machinery (Holland, OH) good?

    This machine looks like it could work:

    22" X 36" AMERICAN PACEMAKER ENGINE LATHE: YODER #68719 | eBay


    My assigned sales rep at HGR is getting worse and worse at responding. They had a Lodge & Shipley 16Ē PowerTurn that was interesting, but my rep never responded and it sold during the 3-4 days in which he should have responded.
    And HGR doesnít test or run the machines, so itís a crap shoot guessing game based on a few pictures.
    Last edited by rpseguin; 06-26-2021 at 11:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpseguin View Post

    Is there a rating/ranking/review system for machinery dealers?
    Is Yoder Machinery (Holland, OH) good?
    Not a machine I need per se, but I have long coveted, and been casually watching for a 1950's Cincinnati #2 horizontal mill. Yoder has had one atleast 6 months, that I thought was priced too high considering they're in Ohio, plus condition of machine:
    CINCINNATI MODEL #2P HORIZONTAL MILL: YODER #11154 | eBay

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    Then looking at their other listings, both on ebay, and their own site, we'll they seem to list everything high. Have not done business with them to know, but maybe they start high and expect to be beaten way down . Some people and outfits I know think like that. But couldn't say for sure here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    Not a machine I need per se, but I have long coveted, and been casually watching for a 1950's Cincinnati #2 horizontal mill. Yoder has had one atleast 6 months, that I thought was priced too high considering they're in Ohio, plus condition of machine:
    CINCINNATI MODEL #2P HORIZONTAL MILL: YODER #11154 | eBay

    72.jpg 73.jpg

    Then looking at their other listings, both on ebay, and their own site, we'll they seem to list everything high. Have not done business with them to know, but maybe they start high and expect to be beaten way down . Some people and outfits I know think like that. But couldn't say for sure here.
    Nice mill!
    If I had space, Iíd love to get a universal.
    Yeah, they probably start high expecting to haggle down some.

    Seeing Yoderís awful, sloppy paint jobs using ugly blue on some machines gives me pause as wellÖ

    Case in point:

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    Default Heavier Toolroom Lathes: Monarch vs Lodge & Shipley vs American vs ...

    Because the HGR rep didnít respond at all, this nice looking Lodge & Shipley PowerTurn got sold out from under me:

    Used Lodge & Shipley Lodge & Shipley 16" Powerturn Lathe | HGR Industrial...


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    While I was searching for a larger Monarch, Pacemaker, L&S, etc, this Okuma LS presented itself to me for $2500, a couple months ago. Seemed the perfect companion to my 10EE.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ezduzit View Post
    While I was searching for a larger Monarch, Pacemaker, L&S, etc, this Okuma LS presented itself to me for $2500, a couple months ago. Seemed the perfect companion to my 10EE.


    Nice!!

    Ok!
    Everyone stop making me jealous with their beautiful lathes found for a great price!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpseguin View Post
    Nice!!
    Had three friends with those. I ran one of them once for a few hours, hated it. Clunky, everything in the wrong place. Take a Monarch or a Pacemaker or a Clausing Colchester or a traytop Cincinnati or a Regal or even a South Bend any day of the week over those things.

    Oops, sorry ez. To each his own, and my friends liked theirs (they got together for a group buy, got them on sale a long time ago) ... but I hated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    .. my friends liked theirs (they got together for a group buy, got them on sale a long time ago) ... but I hated it.
    As f**ked-up off-the wall USELESS as your bait-trolling observations USUALLY are?

    That has to be about as POSITIVE a recommendation as any Okuma ever earned, then.

    And @ $2,500 bucks?

    "...or even a South Bend.." ???

    Get TF REAL, Chicom-tarnished-tin-plate-troll.

    You are among folk who actually ken the freakin' DIFFERENCE!


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    Another thing that Iíve seen happen a couple of times is the price on a lathe that I inquired about has mysteriously gone up not long after asking about itÖ

    Not cool!

    I guess Iíll take snapshots of anything before inquiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpseguin View Post
    Another thing that I’ve seen happen a couple of times is the price on a lathe that I inquired about has mysteriously gone up not long after asking about it…

    Not cool!

    I guess I’ll take snapshots of anything before inquiring.
    I've 3 times had machines sell a day or so after posting and asking questions, before I could get there . Machines hanging around a little while too.

    The last lathe I bought I left a deposit and took the tail stock with me before posting about it. . I went right back the next day paid in full, and took all the easily removed covers and the compound with me. Just to avoid any sad stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasgunsmith View Post
    I've 3 times had machines sell a day or so after posting and asking questions, before I could get there . Machines hanging around a little while too.

    The last lathe I bought I left a deposit and took the tail stock with me before posting about it. . I went right back the next day paid in full, and took all the easily removed covers and the compound with me. Just to avoid any sad stories.
    That would be my preferred way to do it, but Iím not finding any lathes of interest to me locally right now.

    There is a Monarch, but they were using it with a belt sander above the exposed bed (yummy! Carbide grit on the ways!) and it is missing the cross slide and compound


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