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    Cool Milwaukee milling machine №4 in Russia

    Hello!
    I apologize in advance for the automatic translation, I can not adequately write in English.
    machine of 1938 of release
    Bought a machine for $ 4500

    Now we disassemble and repair.
    I was surprised that in one of the shafts of the gearbox there is M12 thread, not 1/2.

    I looked through all the files on VintageMachinery.org | Welcome similar to this machine, but never found a scheme for it.
    The node for selecting the feed amount and on the bed these 2 shafts differ, which I do not know how to remove.

    Please tell me how to remove them!
    And where else to see the scheme for this machine.

    Serial-3-2378

    I would be extremely grateful for the help!
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    Good luck on a "scheme" or how its built. You have the early 27 speed K - only these have the two rods hanging down as in your photos - centered on the face of the column. All gone by 1940 and replaced by the 24 speed K - which has no rods hanging down as in your photo, and has an entirely different "sponson" knee.

    As to what they DO - I would guess they are feed and rapid for the knee - and in other K&T mills these are driven from the pulley bracket on the right side of the machine. ON EDIT - add thumbnail of 2CH (a later K&T) of how the two rods/shafts were driven from pulley bracket assembly. These were visible when you opened the right side door.

    Yours is from lot of ten 4K completed September 1938

    4K Operation Manual if needed - note about PDF page 30 it plainly states it is for serial 2595 (August 1939) and above horizontals

    http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/2098/15190.pdf
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    I hope you paid rubles not dollars for it.
    I think someone forced the M12 bolt into the 1/2"-13 hole, they are very close.

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    Thumbs up Congratulations, Drago!

    Drago-

    Congratulations on finding a wonderful machine!

    We all wish this machine could tell it's story, from when it was built, up until now. Perhaps someone on the forum has records that could explain it's life.

    I have your machine's smaller (Cinci #2 and bigger cousin (Cinci #5), but mine have ordinary tables... yours has a rotary table that looks very, very strong. Whoever placed the order for your machine, knew exactly what they needed.

    I do NOT know how those shafts come out... but I'm certain that someone here does!

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    I'd lie the machine over on it's side onto some timbers. See if you can access the shafts from underneath. What a man put there a man can remove, they weren't grown from a seed.

    That's a tribute to the machine builders. 80 years old and still going strong.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    I hope you paid rubles not dollars for it.
    I think someone forced the M12 bolt into the 1/2"-13 hole, they are very close.
    Sorry about not checking the exchange rate before making my earlier post, end of day/tired. $4500 is 300,000 rubles at 66.7 exchange rate. If it was rubles-dollars it would have been about $67.
    Machines that old that need repair usually sell for close to scrap value here and I was mistakenly thinking that might apply to this machine as well.

    That being said I think machine has a lot of potential and when fixed will be a great addition to your shop, Especially with the rotary table.
    Most of my equipment is this vintage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    I'd lie the machine over on it's side onto some timbers. See if you can access the shafts from underneath. What a man put there a man can remove, they weren't grown from a seed.

    That's a tribute to the machine builders. 80 years old and still going strong.

    Regards Tyrone.
    We usually think that what the other person has gathered is possible to disassemble.

    The column and gearbox are already completely disassembled.

    He has the biggest gears that are in my machines!

    And the worm pair on the spindle will impress

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    Thumbnail is the 24 speed 4K with the later knee

    Screen shot from manual linked above
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    Work is moving!
    Column completely dismantled. Bearings in good condition, otherwise the replacement would be a big headache.
    I was surprised at the quality of the fit of the shaft cover under the spindle. The dimensions of the gear and the worm pair are impressive!
    The rotary element from the table is washed off and made a scraping for lubrication.

    Thanks for the tips and files.

    It surprises me when I watch channels like Abom79, Keith Rucker, Oxtoolco, that when repairing around is clean and tidy. I'll let it go, but for now if repair means there will be heaps of dirty rags, liters of dirty gasoline and heaps of garbage from the machine.

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