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    Quote Originally Posted by D Nelson View Post
    Complete
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    oh DUH, just realized this is from forgings, makes sense! very nice

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    Yeah forgings. We’re getting ready to switch to bar stock now
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    Honestly I think you should look at the MAM if you're considering Matsuura. The old shop I was running is doing mostly bolts and bolt carriers but the MX-520 PC4 I bought there is not really the right tool for the volume. Firearms are in a "we'll take as many as you can ship" place right now and you'll be better set up to run high mix low volume as well.

    The 520 is an amazing machine for the price; I don't think anything touches the value. That said, you're looking at a pretty big jump in price going to a MAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Nelson View Post
    Yeah forgings. We’re getting ready to switch to bar stock now
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    be curious how you do with bar stock, keep us updated if you dont mind

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    No affiliation but giving a shout out to DuMont Broach. They gave an awesome macro for my Okuma turn-mill when i did a similar setup from billet. (yes, i'm try to brag, cause i'm jealous of this thread. lol).
    I believe DuMont has a full kit at the ready for ARs.

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    How much of a price jump would you guess for the MAM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Holt View Post
    How much of a price jump would you guess for the MAM?
    So many variations and options. it'd be hard to say, for an outsider. But, I've heard talk into thee 800k range.


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    Yeah the MAM jumps you up to around $800k I think. I never got any formal quotes on them but chat with the Yamazen guys from time to time and have gotten some "ballpark" numbers. The MX-520 PC4 I bought was almost $650k sticker but I got it for around $560k IIRC; it was the IMTS machine so it was absolutely loaded with options. It was also one of only two that were available for over six months at the time due to high demand. I spent about $55k with Lang to get all the pallets outfitted and all the vises and such. With more pallets you'd be looking at more. Plenty of shops just do it incrementally with demand, though. 90 tools standard on that PC4 so that was another huger cost, and we absolutely filled that carousel in the first few repeat jobs. They may have offered a 120 tool setup? Can't remember.

    I'd be curious if you can get the job done on an MX-330 PC10? You still have like 22" in Z in that machine and you're looking at maybe $450k? Those were not available at all or I would have bought one instead of its big brother.

    Hope that helps.

    Oh, BTW. Make sure to ask how Matsuura is dealing with the new licensing on CAMplete now that AD has moved it to a subscription model. I'm curious myself, since having a perpetual license was kind of a big deal since it is your post processor. I mean, we still were going to pay maintenance anyways which is about the same as the new subscription, but whatever. I know it is a deal breaker for some guys.
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    Gotta ask - why 5 Axis and not a big Horizontal for a heck of a lot less money?

    Okuma MB4000s and Makino A51nx machines probably make the vast majority of AR uppers and lowers in the country. They are what the biggest of the big boys use to hit massive volumes, from both forgings and bar stock.

    Also, have you all questioned the timing? A lot of Makino and Okuma machines got repossessed after the Sandy Hook Buying Panic. Once folks realized that there would be no federal bans, a lot of dudes who were banking on their mills turning out $100 in revenue every 17 minutes went bust. What are you all thinking of the timing on this?

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    For us we think that a horizontal will be too many ops. Also the forgings vary in width so they need to be probed to make sure they fit the lowers properly. There is just too many angles to do on a horizontal we think anyways and for 350k you can get a umc1000 with a pallet pool and run 24 7
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    First cut today on barstock
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    With as many weapons already exist in this country, I'm kinda surprised that there is still market for that many new rifles.

    That being said, I do not understand the pro-gun mentality. I own a revolver.
    I'm not anti gun. But where are all these new guns going? Do that many get broken and scrapped out each year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Nelson View Post
    First cut today on barstock
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    nice! looking good
    i just finished the 2nd op fixture for ours, testing it out tomorrow.
    i see we take a very similar approach.upper.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndogforever View Post
    With as many weapons already exist in this country, I'm kinda surprised that there is still market for that many new rifles.

    That being said, I do not understand the pro-gun mentality. I own a revolver.
    I'm not anti gun. But where are all these new guns going? Do that many get broken and scrapped out each year?
    why does it matter?
    the simplest and most important answer is because we have the right to.

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    here was a day of shooting at our farm some people just like guns. And I don’t even carry maybe 1 or 2 times a year
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Nelson View Post
    here was a day of shooting at our farm some people just like guns. And I don’t even carry maybe 1 or 2 times a year
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    that looks like a hell of a good time!
    i'm due for the same.

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    Next one is scheduled for July 4th 3800 acres of all you want in Missouri you are welcome to come out
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Nelson View Post
    Next one is scheduled for July 4th 3800 acres of all you want in Missouri you are welcome to come out
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    hell of a trip from cali... lol

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    It would be worth it


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