Brother S500x1 subplate suggestions/thickness.................
Close
Login to Your Account
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 25
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pillager, MN
    Posts
    6,401
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1937
    Likes (Received)
    6248

    Default Brother S500x1 subplate suggestions/thickness.................

    You guys who run a subplate on your Speedio............what are ye usin'? Looks like I may need something. Plus I'd like to hang the plate out beyond the table to keep the 4th outa the way.Suggestions? I've never run a subplate on any machine I own. I like a bare table...especially with always swapping vises and fixtures..................

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Boston MA
    Posts
    1,183
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    607
    Likes (Received)
    1102

    Default

    I have a 3" chunk of Mic-6 that covers about half the table, slightly off-center and lets the 4th axis sit on one side and the tailstock for the 4th on the other side of it. I built modular fixturing that lets me drop a vise onto the sub plate or whatever else I want. It works well... takes away any concerns with tool length and lets me run short holders (SK, shrink and MariTool side locks).

  3. Likes eaglemike liked this post
  4. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Oregon
    Posts
    580
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    249
    Likes (Received)
    455

    Default

    I have a 2 inch thick plate on my S700x1. It hangs over both sides of Y axis about an inch I think.
    It hangs over the right hand side a couple inches and way the hell off the left side where the rotary sits.
    It puts the rotary face about 1/2" from max X negative travel.
    The plate has a grid of tapped holes.
    I don't use those much tho, I have Orange vises so right into that 2" plate I have Orange Vise receivers.
    Also I am a fan of SpeedLoc Fixturing System - mPower
    I have a pattern of those receivers also on the plate and can hot swap plates with a electric rattle gun in about 15 seconds without rushing.

    I use those for custom fixtures, 6 inch single station kurt vise, hell even the Fadal VH65 is held on a quick change plate on that machine.

    I really like those.

  5. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    West Virginia
    Posts
    1,457
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    916
    Likes (Received)
    653

    Default

    I put my vises up on blocks. I'm not crazy about the idea of trapping coolant between the plate and table for years. It's cheap and easy too. I bought long bolts so the bolts go right through the holes into the 't' nuts. Works good plus easy to move etc. that’s a kurt dx6.

    file_000.jpg

  6. Likes SND liked this post
  7. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    North Carolina
    Posts
    387
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    108
    Likes (Received)
    194

    Default

    img_20210414_151911670.jpg

    This is what we set up, it's 2" 6061. I don't raise the vise, the height isn't an issue very often and we use a lot of pallets on the Orange vise.

    We put an Orange ZPS on the face of the 4th, and so far it's been working out well.

  8. #6
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    West Virginia
    Posts
    1,457
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    916
    Likes (Received)
    653

    Default

    I guess it just depends on the work. I use jaws mostly and it was often an issue right from the start. It’s not an issue in my old Brother though those vises are on the table.

  9. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Texas
    Posts
    729
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    245
    Likes (Received)
    247

    Default

    I use Orange vises and the shortest tools I run can reach the top of the vises so I haven't found the need for risers. Occasionally I'll have to set a tool up to stick out a little more, but it's nice the be able to swing around a 10" long reamer in the ATC.

  10. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    North Carolina
    Posts
    387
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    108
    Likes (Received)
    194

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Deal View Post
    I guess it just depends on the work. I use jaws mostly and it was often an issue right from the start. It’s not an issue in my old Brother though those vises are on the table.
    For sure, absolutely depends on the work. Most of the jaw work we do is 1st op in talon jaws, 2nd in soft jaws, so we're not reaching down between the jaws much. In that picture the jaws were cut to hold 5" diameter 6061, that were getting machined to attach to the Orange ZPS as rotary fixtures.

    And to clarify, that overhanging sub plate has been set up for all of two weeks, it may turn out to be a bad idea.

  11. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pillager, MN
    Posts
    6,401
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1937
    Likes (Received)
    6248

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LOTT View Post
    And to clarify, that overhanging sub plate has been set up for all of two weeks, it may turn out to be a bad idea.
    So what's bad about the overhanging subplate?

    I left my orange vises on the table, but I really can't get two double 6'ers and the forth on the table at one time. I need to cantilever the forth over the edge of the table. Has the your 4th sagged or has it moved? My plan is to get a hunk on 1" blanchard ground A36 plate and mount the 4th to that off the table by 4" or so...............

  12. Likes wheelieking71 liked this post
  13. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    California
    Posts
    1,113
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    299
    Likes (Received)
    689

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by david n View Post
    So what's bad about the overhanging subplate?

    I left my orange vises on the table, but I really can't get two double 6'ers and the forth on the table at one time. I need to cantilever the forth over the edge of the table. Has the your 4th sagged or has it moved? My plan is to get a hunk on 1" blanchard ground A36 plate and mount the 4th to that off the table by 4" or so...............
    No problem. We get rotaries out of the travel all the time.

    4th-sublate-r450-2-.jpg

    r650x2-martin-trunnion-top.jpg

    4th-tombstone.jpg

    gripper-setup-2.jpg

  14. #11
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    California
    Posts
    215
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    41
    Likes (Received)
    109

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by david n View Post
    So what's bad about the overhanging subplate?

    I left my orange vises on the table, but I really can't get two double 6'ers and the forth on the table at one time. I need to cantilever the forth over the edge of the table. Has the your 4th sagged or has it moved? My plan is to get a hunk on 1" blanchard ground A36 plate and mount the 4th to that off the table by 4" or so...............
    I really have to figure this out too.

    My plan was to use a 1.5” thick piece of MIC6. Ideally the face of the 4th would be at the X limit, but that’s way out there. I’m tempted to just have the subplate cover the whole table — makes for the longest cantilever base and keeps the vise positions at the same heights.

  15. #12
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    6,162
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    5767
    Likes (Received)
    3935

    Default

    We bought a couple of 4" 6061 plates and I machined them square. Cut male keys in the bottom so that it sits perfectly in line if we were to remove it and slap it back on.
    Since most of our Brother work is small and short, a taller sub plate isn't an issue for us.
    We don't have a 4th on it, but we do have a Marposs tool setter.

  16. #13
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    1,479
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    392
    Likes (Received)
    947

    Default

    We had a plate on our R650 to hold a Nikken 4th that hung off the table by a bit and was 1" thick alloy steel. Probably 4XXX series. On the R series, you need to make up a ton of Z (much more than an S series) so we also had a 6" tall weldment to which we bolted vises and fixtures to get things in the range of normal stickout tools.

    Personally I'd use 6061-T6511 before using MIC6 but I'd prefer steel. Then again I've got piles of 8"x2" extrusion drops that I use for fixturing since my main product is made from it and I usually have a 2-9" long remnant off a 12' stick.

  17. #14
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Oregon
    Posts
    580
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    249
    Likes (Received)
    455

    Default

    Remember your weight too. Those Speedio's are not known for their weight carrying ability.
    I talked with Andy about mine and I'm fairly close to the weight limit but he didn't think I needed to slow down any feeds or rapids.
    If you go steel, that will very possibly over weight the table and should be slowed a bit. Accel and Decel on heavy load can be pretty substantial.

    sub plate on a speedio. Weight concerns.

  18. #15
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    California
    Posts
    1,113
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    299
    Likes (Received)
    689

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Houndogforever View Post
    Remember your weight too. Those Speedio's are not known for their weight carrying ability.
    I talked with Andy about mine and I'm fairly close to the weight limit but he didn't think I needed to slow down any feeds or rapids.
    If you go steel, that will very possibly over weight the table and should be slowed a bit. Accel and Decel on heavy load can be pretty substantial.

    sub plate on a speedio. Weight concerns.
    S500/S700 are rated 550 lbs at full speed with no extra anchoring. Nothing to sneeze at. R650 is rated 440 lbs each pallet (880 total) with the pallet system at full speed.

  19. #16
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    North Carolina
    Posts
    387
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    108
    Likes (Received)
    194

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by david n View Post
    So what's bad about the overhanging subplate?

    I left my orange vises on the table, but I really can't get two double 6'ers and the forth on the table at one time. I need to cantilever the forth over the edge of the table. Has the your 4th sagged or has it moved? My plan is to get a hunk on 1" blanchard ground A36 plate and mount the 4th to that off the table by 4" or so...............
    Just checked, so far so good, no sag. I do think about the weight, but we're within specs and I haven't turned anything down.

    That's the one reason an S700 would be nice, to have two 6" vises and the 4th, but for the price I'm perfectly happy with the 500. The other S500 has two 6's, but no 4th.

  20. #17
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pillager, MN
    Posts
    6,401
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1937
    Likes (Received)
    6248

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LOTT View Post
    Just checked, so far so good, no sag. I do think about the weight, but we're within specs and I haven't turned anything down.

    That's the one reason an S700 would be nice, to have two 6" vises and the 4th, but for the price I'm perfectly happy with the 500. The other S500 has two 6's, but no 4th.
    I just may need another Brother....................

  21. #18
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    North Carolina
    Posts
    387
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    108
    Likes (Received)
    194

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by david n View Post
    I just may need another Brother....................
    You're in luck, Comatose is selling another one....

  22. #19
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Pillager, MN
    Posts
    6,401
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    1937
    Likes (Received)
    6248

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LOTT View Post
    You're in luck, Comatose is selling another one....
    Prolly 500……A 700 or 1000 would be awesome

  23. #20
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    California
    Posts
    215
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    41
    Likes (Received)
    109

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BROTHERFRANK View Post
    No problem. We get rotaries out of the travel all the time.
    I am not a MechE, but I did the math on a 50mm thick 6061 subplate hanging 199mm (the max?) off the side of the Speedio table. Even if you assume the 70 kg weight of the rotary is a point load at the end you get <0.002 mm of deflection. So that's cool. Assuming I can do math

    Is there a reason to have the face of the rotary table at the X- travel limit, or is it OK to have it set back from there? I think I could move it backwards about 40mm, which would give me some extra clearance if I'm running two vises. Realistically if I have a small centric vise on the rotary, the "negative X" is not going to be a problem, and any jigs I make can just be a little bit thicker. Or am I missing something?


Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •