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    Hey folks,

    Iíve learned a lot picking your brains about quick change fixtures. So far Iíve been scoffing at orange vise as a gimmick product, but they caught my eye so I took a second look. The concept is pretty stinkin novel with the built in mitee bites, dovetail jaws, v groove pallets, locating ball locks, etc.

    I know thereís a fella here from orange vise as well, Iím sure heíll chime in. Whatís the overall impression on them? Huge time saver or just a minor convenience?

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    I know I am planning on changing over to them this year,
    I like them for the simple fact that you can get a 6" vise in different lengths. going to change them to the double vises. then they also have a new vise thats short that I can also use on my 4th axis rotary table cubes.

    I dont care about the mitee bites dovetail jaws vgroove jaws or anythign else like that, as we cut all our soft jaws and fixtures to hold parts and both vaccum and part fixtures.

    one nice thing about them is there vise's I can get that will fit in my vf2ss with out the vise overhanging on each size of the table and crashing into the z column. our kurt double vises we have to bring way forward so they dont hit the z column. my fadal has plenty of room for the kurts the vf2ss does not, granted they work but it over hangs on the front way to much.

    replacing all these vises is a ton of cash,I just trying to get more spindle time and less part changing. I got a early 2000 horizontal coming that I will put the kurts on.

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    Dude they're pretty sweet. They're so easy to use and FAST to set up whatever you want. I can go between talon grips, soft jaws, hard jaws, and tube jaws pretty much by just loosening a few screws. The Carvesmart soft jaw setup is really nice because you can either run Carvesmarts jaws with the locating pins for repeat jobs, or you can buy standard counterbore-style jaws off Monster Jaw (or make your own) and bolt them on the opposite side. Most of my parts are made using the Talons for Op1 and soft jaws for Op2.

    I think the Ball Locks are now kinda obsolete because the holes for them can now be used for regular bolts and they come with pin holes to align them to a fixture, so you can save all that cost and just grab some countersunk inserts and 1/2"/M12 bolts. That is how I mount mine when running parallel to the T-slots.

    The standard mill vise design like Kurts now seems like a legacy item. After touching an Orange I will never have a standard Kurt (or similar) again. I lay my Orange on it's precision ground sides when I need to hold a part sideways. I can but them up against each other precisely. They have a clamp slot running the full length on each side instead of fixed hole locations. The screws don't have thrust bearings that seize or Brinell.

    The Oranges are expensive, especially for the double stations. The single station went up in price quite a bit since it's introductory pricing. I also wish the new jaws on the single station 6" were available for the double station vises, though I bet Orange is open to swapping those out if you ask.

    I also use the delta jaws and pallets. Very easy to use. I've stopped using them altogether now because I have learned to really dislike pallets. Nothing I do requires them and talons/soft jaws are faster, easier, more repeatable and cheaper. Not a knock on the Orange pallets, I like the idea. I would like to see the pallets available in wider sizes like the other pallets are/were so you could stick an 8" or 10" pallet on a 6" vise.

    The M-Lok vises also seem like a very neat design.

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    I bought one for my new machine and will not go back. Firstly, after having a dual station vise Iíll never go back to buying single stations, so much better use of space on the table and the orange price is competitive with other dual station vises. And the orange can still convert to single station when you have a larger part. Everything swaps around very easily, changeovers between configurations is a breeze. Having carvesmart built in is worth any price penalty. Overall there are many little details I appreciate.

    I do have two small annoyances.

    - So far Iíve found that the integrated mitee bite is basically useless in a dual station configuration because the center jaw isnít milled with a matching receiver and the height is off from other mitee bite jaws. You can use it in single station mode but the jaw carriers wonít close fully so the smallest stock you can grab is maybe 1.5Ē. I pretty much wrote those off and got carve smart mitee bite receivers. You could make a custom mitee bite jaw to match, I just havenít.

    - second annoyance is that the center carve smart jaw (on the new version bought five months ago) doesnít have bolt holes for Kurt pattern jaws. So youíre locked into using carve smart in both stations. Not a huge deal, but if you have a lot of Kurt pattern stuff already itís rendered useless in conjunction with carve smart.

    Having said that, I just switched everything to carve smart for that machine and itís been great. The softjaws are way more versatile. I often get four plus jobs in a set of jaws (when I know theyíre not repeat) because you can go deep and also flip them.

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    Ok Iím sold.

    I keep thinking about steering away from the dual station, as Iíve never used them, but i have used two vises on one pallet before, which when it comes down to it is the same thing for smaller parts. That and you only need to indicate one vise straight instead of two. Lord knows Iíve spent way too much time replacing vise jaws.

    Itís probably the last investment I can afford to make from my budget. Already bought the powRgrip system, still need to install probing, and Iíve got a barn find CMM that may or may not work, so this is the next best thing before investing tons of money into quick change fixturing.

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    The Orange vises are awesome. If/when you set it up as a single jaw, try setting it up as a reverse vise. If you haven't tried that before, you might find that it works pretty well.
    Orange seems to be always improving/providing new products, etc. They actually answer the phone and emails, even provide tech support. What a concept??!!

    While they are more expensive at first glance, the lower hassle factor and improved throughput will both make you more money and make life easier. Kind of like a Brother machine.

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    They are awesome. I have 3 double stations and it makes everything so flexible. The jaws and carriers are so quick to change setups. They are super quick to pull the jaws off and convert back and forth between double and single stations. It's a little annoying at first figuring out which configurations you need to hold what size parts, but you start to figure it out and then it goes quick. I like having everything ground. I set my first vise in the center of the table and tram it in and then lock it down. Then I use 4" gauge blocks to space the two side vises in. Clamping stock across both vises will get you almost dead nuts on. I might buy or make a ground bar to go even quicker. Quick adjustment and all three are within a few tenths across the table. On top of that, Eric the owner is a nice guy and really willing to help you out if you have questions. I picked mine up in person and was able to chat with him for a bit.




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    If my left nut was not already so over-committed for other things I want, I'd give it up for a pair of Orange vises.

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    I got two dual stations, and couldn't be happier. Being able to switch between single and double station, made buying the double stations a no brainier. I think the only thing that can top Orange Vises is the 5th Axis rock system, but that's also a whole different price point for a whole system.

    As mentioned above in regards to not being able to use the built in mite-bite in dual station mode, I just made some dovetailed jaws for mite bites. Also I then don't have to flip the main jaws around when going from mite-bite to soft jaws. Makes jaw changing a 10 second operation.

    I really like being able to flip the vises on their side when needed.
    Just this week, I had a 3 OP part.
    - OP 1 in Mitebite Dovetails
    - OP 2 Softjaws in Dovetails
    - OP 3 Softjaws from OP2 with vise on its side.

    Really nice to be able to reuse the soft jaws from OP2. (plus go back and forth between OP2 & 3 if needed, and the Jaws locate in the same spot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    If my left nut was not already so over-committed for other things I want, I'd give it up for a pair of Orange vises.
    So hereís a question: what are the things in front of the orange vise on your list? Thatís what Iím doing now is sorting through my list of want-to-haves versus needs and looking for what has the biggest benefit to the dollar.

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    I bought one of the 17" Double Station Vises. Used it on one or two quick jobs, and didn't like it. It just seemed like I was spending way too much time setting it up and not enough time making parts. Granted, everything I do is limited quantities. I would gladly trade it for a couple new Kurt vises, if only I hadn't thrown away all the packaging material.

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    I have two 17.5" doubles.. love them. I prefer to do as much as possible in dovetails. There are two positions for the back jaw and if you use dovetail hard jaws in the center (thicker), little stuff fits using the back position without a spacer. The hard jaws vary in thickness a thou or so, and there's a couple thou in the center block dowels (probably as good as they an reasonably get). So, it can be a little annoying indicating their location every time you put them in. If I'm not working sub .005", I just throw them on. Soft jaws and talons no issue. There's a lot of different ways to use them so it does take some time to find how you want to use them. Great system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderskunk View Post
    So hereís a question: what are the things in front of the orange vise on your list? Thatís what Iím doing now is sorting through my list of want-to-haves versus needs and looking for what has the biggest benefit to the dollar.
    Nothing shop related!

    Top of the list....

    New Ducati Panigale V4 R | Pure Racing Adrenaline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Nothing shop related!

    Top of the list....

    New Ducati Panigale V4 R | Pure Racing Adrenaline
    Something tells me the boss wonít approve my purchase requisition form for one of those, but hey, worst he can say is no, right?

    Used to have a professor who parked his Triumph Daytona in his office, I think it was a 955i.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderskunk View Post
    Something tells me the boss won’t approve my purchase requisition form for one of those, but hey, worst he can say is no, right?....
    I have a similar problem except the boss is a she and I sleep with her every night .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    I have a similar problem except the boss is a she and I sleep with her every night .
    My wife is a saint. She agreed that once I pay off all the school loans, I can buy a cannon, as in 850# black powder 3Ē dia ordinance rifle.

    Hopefully I live to see the day, but hey, promise is a promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Nothing shop related!

    Top of the list....

    New Ducati Panigale V4 R | Pure Racing Adrenaline
    I used to make some pretty neat parts for that bike.
    Here is a Panigale fork drop-out getting molested in my machine a couple years ago, LOL

    20141017_084711_zpse2716b1e.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelieking71 View Post
    I used to make some pretty neat parts for that bike.
    Here is a Panigale fork drop-out getting molested in my machine a couple years ago, LOL

    20141017_084711_zpse2716b1e.jpg
    But, but... those aren't Orange vises...

    Very cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riabma77 View Post
    But, but... those aren't Orange vises...

    Very cool.
    Don't fret, I am a card-carrying member:

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelieking71 View Post
    Don't fret, I am a card-carrying member:

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    And sometimes I get overwhelmed with only 2 vises...


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