Heidenhain TNC 426 - possible to replace HDD with SSD?
Close
Login to Your Account
Results 1 to 16 of 16
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Country
    UNITED KINGDOM
    Posts
    25
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    9
    Likes (Received)
    3

    Default Heidenhain TNC 426 - possible to replace HDD with SSD?

    Hi guys,

    we have a TNC 426 control that failed to book last week, due to a hard disk error. After many reboots the machine finally booted up, I have taken a backup using TNCremo, but I would like to replace the HDD (and other TNC systems) with a SSD drive.

    I have read a few threads where this has been successfully completed, but for anyone who has done this, or even replaced with another mechanical drives - could you offer any pointers?

    If I clone the existing HDD with CloneZilla (as an example), is that all I need to do (other than the hardware itself)? I have read some people saying you need to change the data from binary to ASCII for clone software to be able to read it, but have also read that you can just do a straight clone and away you go.

    If anyone has any experience of this it would be much appreciated if you could help me out!

    Thanks

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Country
    LATVIA
    Posts
    877
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    260
    Likes (Received)
    499

    Default

    can't help with particulars, but that swap from binary to ascii makes no sense in this context, also don't torture the source hdd now, leave it be till you're ready to clone it to another mechanical or ssd, the more you torture it now - the higher the risk of total failure and complete data loss

  3. Likes amh82 liked this post
  4. #3
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    People's Republic
    Posts
    6,510
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    766
    Likes (Received)
    3861

    Default

    The 426 may be old enough that it is not the same style drive as any current SSD, I am not sure

  5. Likes amh82 liked this post
  6. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Country
    UNITED KINGDOM
    Posts
    25
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    9
    Likes (Received)
    3

    Default

    I have not removed the drive yet (due to take a better look tomorrow), but I would think it is a 2.5" IDE, so I would have to use a converter.

    The binary to ascii conversion comes from Heidenhains NC software update instructions in the 426 service manual, and I had read an old thread where someone was using this method as part of an SSD upgrade for an older TNC.

    However, I have also read many threads where users have just used a straight clone of the existing HDD. Some users had reported issues with larger drives causing issues with the BIOS, but again I believe this lies with the cloning method and how the partitions are created.

    I have nothing to lose as the HDD has fallen over again today, so I will remove it tomorrow and make a clone of the drive.

    If this does not work, I gather you can download the NC setup software from Heidenhain to create a new drive, then I can install the backup I have made with TNCremo, but I cannot find these setup archives on the Heidenhain website, so perhaps they are no longer available.

  7. #5
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts
    762
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    248
    Likes (Received)
    282

    Default

    Clonezilla has worked well for me. I cloned a PATA drive to SATA and it booted up and ran fine.

    ED.

  8. Likes amh82, gustafson liked this post
  9. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Country
    UNITED KINGDOM
    Posts
    25
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    9
    Likes (Received)
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by atex57 View Post
    Clonezilla has worked well for me. I cloned a PATA drive to SATA and it booted up and ran fine.

    ED.
    Thanks Atex57, that's good to know!

  10. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    People's Republic
    Posts
    6,510
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    766
    Likes (Received)
    3861

    Default

    Please do follow up on this.

    I have a iTNC530 with a 17 year old hard drive.....

  11. #8
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Country
    UNITED KINGDOM
    Posts
    25
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    9
    Likes (Received)
    3

    Default

    Will do Gustafson, I have the old drive on my desk, just need to order an adaptor and the replacement SSD.

  12. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    south australia
    Posts
    167
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    94
    Likes (Received)
    34

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Please do follow up on this.

    I have a iTNC530 with a 17 year old hard drive.....
    It is possible to clone the hard drive, our IT guy did ours and we have tested it. Its cheap insurance to have a spare HDD sitting in the draw for a critical machine.

  13. #10
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    People's Republic
    Posts
    6,510
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    766
    Likes (Received)
    3861

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by snapatap View Post
    It is possible to clone the hard drive, our IT guy did ours and we have tested it. Its cheap insurance to have a spare HDD sitting in the draw for a critical machine.

    I have a pdf claiming to show the process, but it is in German, so I have to figure that out

  14. #11
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts
    762
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    248
    Likes (Received)
    282

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by snapatap View Post
    It is possible to clone the hard drive, our IT guy did ours and we have tested it. Its cheap insurance to have a spare HDD sitting in the draw for a critical machine.
    Buy an adapter to match the drive, clone the drive to a file on the host computer, switch the org drive on the adapter for a new one, write the file to the new drive.

    Ed.

  15. #12
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    Washington
    Posts
    164
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    2
    Likes (Received)
    36

    Default

    In linux one uses dd to clone. man dd with get you some guidance. Rather reliable. IMO ssd's are fast but early failure may be a problem. i.e. keep a backup on something that won't age out.
    I've had a hard drive n a mazak for 15 years and I thought that was good. :-) However, ssd's are getting better and so is the management software.
    You pays y9ur money and takes your chances. I don't know it all and that seems to be the usual case with people. ;-)

  16. #13
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Petaluma CA 94952
    Posts
    675
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    5
    Likes (Received)
    125

    Default

    Ive been using a Startech SATDOCK4U3RE 1:3 SATA IDE duplicator to make drives for my Millplus and my siemens 840d controls. Just put the drives in there and push the button. Drive 2 has to be = or larger than the master drive. For SSDs on my machines I used an InnoDisk ICF4000 4gb CF with an IDE adapter. I couldn't get other CF drives I had here to work.

    Ive been using the ICF4000 on my DMU50V millplus machine for a few months. The siemens control wont accept drives larger than 4gb. The siemens is still using regular HD clones. I made 4 clones for each machines, so far all the clones Ive made tested out.

  17. #14
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    south australia
    Posts
    167
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    94
    Likes (Received)
    34

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    I have a pdf claiming to show the process, but it is in German, so I have to figure that out
    Our IT guy does data recovery, and i'm pretty sure he has a dedicated machine for cloning drives. If you have difficulty, you may be able to find someone that data recovery local to you and get them to clone your drive.

  18. #15
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    People's Republic
    Posts
    6,510
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    766
    Likes (Received)
    3861

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by snapatap View Post
    Our IT guy does data recovery, and i'm pretty sure he has a dedicated machine for cloning drives. If you have difficulty, you may be able to find someone that data recovery local to you and get them to clone your drive.
    cloning a drive is easy, making it work on a pentium 1 non windows system architecture is not necessarily easy. Also it probably has like a 120 mb hard drive and may not appreciate any other size.

  19. #16
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    California
    Posts
    2,772
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    21
    Likes (Received)
    737

    Default

    Likely ide interface so a bit tricky.

    If 2.5 then more difficult.

    We found OLDER USB interface external CD or DVD player that had an ide interfaced drive inside.

    Also had a cartridge system to allow placing drive in the cartridge and sliding it into the unit like an 8-track tape.

    Being USB easy to use normal pc to work, ghost or other cloning tools to read and image are not difficult to find.

    Matching drives on the other hand...

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk


Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •