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    Quote Originally Posted by yoke View Post
    I don't have the time to piece them together or pick them up at an auction. I'm to busy making money.

    I won't, however, pay the extra $1500 to drill and tap holes into one.

    Most guys on this forum could make most things they use on a daily basis. I could work 60 hours a week making the things I need so I don't have to spend a dime...
    You do however, have enough time to surf this site and comment about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoke View Post
    Most guys on this forum could make most things they use on a daily basis.

    I used to think that to be true too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Garwood View Post
    You do however, have enough time to surf this site and comment about it.

    After you git 30+ years of long hour days of concrete under your boots, you will realize that butt time actually has monetary value.



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    AME TRIAG Modular is what I want to go with, Ive submitted a quote but I doubt I can justify the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoke View Post
    I don't have the time to piece them together or pick them up at an auction. I'm to busy making money.

    I won't, however, pay the extra $1500 to drill and tap holes into one.

    Most guys on this forum could make most things they use on a daily basis. I could work 60 hours a week making the things I need so I don't have to spend a dime...

    I could buy a set of hard jaws for $20-$30 or I could make a set for $100.

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    The ame triad really has my eye. Got a phone call today with a rough verbal price not knowing the size I'll need and it's very affordable.

    Each vise assembly is $300, it adds up but I can grow into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by as9100d View Post
    The ame triad really has my eye. Got a phone call today with a rough verbal price not knowing the size I'll need and it's very affordable.

    Each vise assembly is $300, it adds up but I can grow into it.

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    Gerardi(?) makes some good modular vises too.

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    I got a quote back on those and they are stupid expensive looking at $20,000 per tombstone

    The ame is roughly $6000 plus $300 per station. It's more expensive than orange vise but more versatile I think.

    I may end up buying some orange vise Delta's to have on hand if I can find a way to mount them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawnrs View Post
    I could buy a set of hard jaws for $20-$30 or I could make a set for $100.
    Ya, unless you are that one guy here (forget who it was) making jaws out of scrap pieces, while you are machining the paying job...

    6MJV621A (6x2x1) Standard Aluminum Machinable Soft Jaws for 6" Vises

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    Not a completely fair comparison as I am sure most generally don't use Mcmaster for materials, but this example shows the raw stock is more expensive than a set of machined jaws!

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    I am looking at the exact same thing atm. Have a new machine with 7 pallets. Quoted those OML CV and TB's from SMW Autoblok,OK-vise thru Jergens, Triag at AME, Schunk, and Seralock/Wedgelock from Kurt. I have 2 of Jergens quad 4" double vises in the machine now and so far so good. I like the fully machineable jaws on their setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snyphilis View Post
    I am looking at the exact same thing atm. Have a new machine with 7 pallets. Quoted those OML CV and TB's from SMW Autoblok,OK-vise thru Jergens, Triag at AME, Schunk, and Seralock/Wedgelock from Kurt. I have 2 of Jergens quad 4" double vises in the machine now and so far so good. I like the fully machineable jaws on their setup.
    We have a bunch of chick doubles I thought about putting on a tombstone but the jobs we do would get expensive fast with the jaws.


    It's a toss up between orangevise and AME triad right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by as9100d View Post
    Those are interesting, how to they clamp? Do they work like the Mitee Bite uniforce clamps where you tighten the screw and the jaw slides at an angle?
    Also I wonder how many people use this style in a 3 axis environment. We get a lot of jobs that have decent quantities that could justify this type of setup or similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1974 View Post
    Ya, unless you are that one guy here (forget who it was) making jaws out of scrap pieces, while you are machining the paying job...

    6MJV621A (6x2x1) Standard Aluminum Machinable Soft Jaws for 6" Vises

    McMaster-Carr

    Not a completely fair comparison as I am sure most generally don't use Mcmaster for materials, but this example shows the raw stock is more expensive than a set of machined jaws!

    I would make them out of scrap material from the water jet but if I had to order the material our purchasing agent would take her time looking for the best deal. Once she ordered the material it would eventually come in, sit on the dock until I cut it down or had someone else cut them down. Machining them would not take long to make but having the ground would take forever to do at our place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by as9100d View Post
    We have a bunch of chick doubles I thought about putting on a tombstone but the jobs we do would get expensive fast with the jaws.


    It's a toss up between orangevise and AME triad right now.

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    Have you thought about making a bunch of small subplates and using mitee bites? You can order 6" in vises and mount them to your tombstone and them lock your smaller subplates to the vises. I use plenty of softjaws with subplates in them. Look at the uniforce and pitbulls clamping from Mitee bites. You would be amazed on how many parts you can put of some plates. The subplates are fairly inexpensive and the mitee bites can be use in multiple fixtures.

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    I want to stay away from things like mitee bite items and fixtures.

    Each part will take roughly 40-50 hours per run and we will be running close to 9 sets of parts per month with 30 total part numbers.

    I think it will be more valuable to have fast change overs without a lot of money tied up in miteebite items. We have some 4th axis tombstones that use miteebite stuff and it's great but to swap over pallets full of pitbulls will be way too much money.

    Not to mention the feeds we are doing now, I'd be afraid to push it as hard with pitbulls in plastic.



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    I use Mitee bite pitbull and uniforce clamps every day and find them to be super fast and get as good of a grip as a vise but more universal .
    Most of my 4th axis fixures use a senter hole for X/Y zero and I just drop a pin in them and clamp them down ,, one nice thing is I can make a fixture for a narrow part and still get in on the sides with a short tool ,,, a 6" wide vise would be a real pain ,,,

    I swap the clamps from one fixture to the next and save on buying a a ton of clamps and also it gives me a good time to lube up the threaded holes ,, I have a lot of fixtures that have had thousands of part changes and the threads in the Alum are still fine ... just use longer bolts than stock ,, I try and get about 3/4" of threads on 1/4" and 5/16" mitee bit clamps ,,

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    Miteebite stuff is great, we use tons of it and i have tons and tons of all sorts, pitbull, talon grip, versa grip, uniforce, etc. Just don't think it will be a good fit for what we are trying to do.



    I'm working with Eric on an orange vise tombstone. Might get two but for sure buying one.



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    Quote Originally Posted by as9100d View Post
    AME TRIAG Modular is what I want to go with, Ive submitted a quote but I doubt I can justify the cost.

    ame-trd-mfg-modular-tombstones-1.jpg
    I haven't used their tombstones, but the AME rod locks I've used were top-notch. Their support is also very good.


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