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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    I haven't actually followed the Brother ads all that much as I am not in that market _ today anyhow.
    But I noticed a Speedio ad in one of the trades in the last cpl of days that was advertising a 40 tool storage chain.
    I was under the impression that the carousel on edge was how they were all built - since tool change time is much of what makes them special. (Acroloc?)

    So - does this machine use the traditional tool change arm then?


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    Yes, 40+1 R650X2 has a twin arm tool changer. Brother has offered this since about 1999 on 32A, 22A, 32B and 22B machines.

    https://youtu.be/pYC-q6Z3n_c

    2005 TC-32B:
    https://youtu.be/1MIEz7IEhXo

    Not quite as fast as the drum type tool changers, but still quick.

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    Yeah, we looked an a F600X2 that had this available as well IIRC. I seem to remember it wasn't even a full second longer for tool changes since it prestages tools (whereas it takes time to rotate the toolchange servo on a normal setup) and you still have best in class accel/decel and rapids.

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    Boy - it seems that the belt could sure get with the program a bit more eh?


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    I love it.....Promo video, good lighting, good shots.
    https://youtu.be/pYC-q6Z3n_c

    But ! Most prominent feature front & center is the galvanized street Ells for the coolant piping....

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    That's a problem?


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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    I love it.....Promo video, good lighting, good shots.
    https://youtu.be/pYC-q6Z3n_c

    But ! Most prominent feature front & center is the galvanized street Ells for the coolant piping....
    I thought the same thing................but hey, it still gets the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    That's a problem?


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    Quote Originally Posted by david n View Post
    I thought the same thing................but hey, it still gets the job done.
    Prebent stainless tubing would be nicer. And take up less space in that area,
    also less stuff to get knocked off, nor collect chips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Prebent stainless tubing would be nicer. And take up less space in that area,
    also less stuff to get knocked off, nor collect chips.
    And be a HECK of a lot harder when you want to modify it or tap into it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comatose View Post
    And be a HECK of a lot harder when you want to modify it or tap into it...
    Uhm....I have made tubing assemblies like that, easy peasy.

    Just buy a 10' stick, and make some mistakes, don't plan on getting it right the first time.
    Swageloc fittings and a proper bender, and you too can look like a "profesiional".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BROTHERFRANK View Post
    Yes, 40+1 R650X2 has a twin arm tool changer. Brother has offered this since about 1999 on 32A, 22A, 32B and 22B machines.

    https://youtu.be/pYC-q6Z3n_c

    2005 TC-32B:
    https://youtu.be/1MIEz7IEhXo

    Not quite as fast as the drum type tool changers, but still quick.
    Watching the tool-change in the 650x2 in the local Yamazen show-room,
    with tool pre-call, it actually seems a little quicker than my x1 if I have to grab a tool half way around the chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Just buy a 10' stick, and make some mistakes, don't plan on getting it right the first time.
    Swageloc fittings and a proper bender, and you too can look like a "profesiional".
    Or... they could use a galvanized fitting and nobody has to do any of that. These are really designed to crank out cell phone cases by the millions. Who cares about nicer looking?

    I assure you, on a travelling head machine with this kind of acceleration there aren't any chips taking up residence by the spindle, even without coolant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comatose View Post
    Or... they could use a galvanized fitting and nobody has to do any of that. These are really designed to crank out cell phone cases by the millions. Who cares about nicer looking?

    I assure you, on a travelling head machine with this kind of acceleration there aren't any chips taking up residence by the spindle, even without coolant.
    Would you buy a brand new truck with those pipe fittings under the hood for the oil filter ?

    It just does not meet the OEM's high standards.

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    I really don't see the concern here?

    That Street El is likely rated for 3500# hydro?
    Shirley that's good enough for coolant?

    It looks like it was done well, and easily serviced if I want to doo sumpthing different.

    I'm good with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Comatose View Post
    I assure you, on a travelling head machine with this kind of acceleration there aren't any chips taking up residence by the spindle, even without coolant.
    Sorry bud, you are dead wrong with that statement. Like you couldn't be more wrong. Trust me. I live it every night around 8:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox View Post
    I really don't see the concern here?

    That Street El is likely rated for 3500# hydro?
    Shirley that's good enough for coolant?

    It looks like it was done well, and easily serviced if I want to doo sumpthing different.

    I'm good with it.


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    160,000 machines built and in service. I trust they know what they are doing. This is not something we see issues with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Would you buy a brand new truck with those pipe fittings under the hood for the oil filter ?

    It just does not meet the OEM's high standards.

    Never seen the inside of a Citizen or STAR Swiss machine, have you?

    $500K+ depending on which machine and options, they come with the same fittings in them. Never been an issue.


    Someone go post something spammy and get Doug his coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Would you buy a brand new truck with those pipe fittings under the hood for the oil filter ?

    It just does not meet the OEM's high standards.
    Never had to replace the filter or thermostat housing on a $50k Dodge with a diesel have ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeachMePlease View Post
    Never seen the inside of a Citizen or STAR Swiss machine, have you?

    $500K+ depending on which machine and options, they come with the same fittings in them. Never been an issue.


    Someone go post something spammy and get Doug his coffee.
    Neighbor has several of them.

    I'm sure it's just fine and all....it just seems to lower the high expectations/quality from Brother.

    That's all I'm saying, end of sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelieking71 View Post
    Never had to replace the filter or thermostat housing on a $50k Dodge with a diesel have ya?
    My old 360 v-8 dodge gas burner...yes.
    Best was the Isuzu diesel I owned. No gaskets to scrap off.
    simple O-ring.

    But I wouldn't put the brother machines in with Dodge.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethloffMfg View Post
    That's only $8,000 per hour.
    Thanks for reminding me. My blood boils every time I think of it.


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