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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
    No pictures?
    Here is one
    20210614_112518.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastikdreams View Post
    I'm guessing God of the sea...Neptune is the name kidde gave to the system. Here's an article from nj.com

    A spectacular display of waterfront firefighting capacity - nj.com
    How long did it take to assemble all that hardware & plumbing ?

    You-Would-Think that a permanent pump station(s) would be set up along the river to feed a separate fire system.
    With the high density of exposures in that area, it would not be prohibitive in cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    How long did it take to assemble all that hardware & plumbing ?

    You-Would-Think that a permanent pump station(s) would be set up along the river to feed a separate fire system.
    With the high density of exposures in that area, it would not be prohibitive in cost.
    Probably an hour or so...everything has its own truck so work goes simultaneously. The hoses all use stortz connectors so the just twist apart. This isn't a first line operation, it's usually put in place when city water and/or tenders just can't keep up and there's a large enough body of water near by.

    Some areas do have fire pumps on scene or in the vicinity of certain areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
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    This was in my back yard about 9:30 AM. One mile from it.

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    fire-2.jpg
    This was a little bit southwest of me, but less trees in the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastikdreams View Post
    Probably an hour or so...everything has its own truck so work goes simultaneously. The hoses all use stortz connectors so the just twist apart. This isn't a first line operation, it's usually put in place when city water and/or tenders just can't keep up and there's a large enough body of water near by.

    Some areas do have fire pumps on scene or in the vicinity of certain areas.
    Older, large factories "Estates" have fire pumps, with backup gensets nearby each one.

    1 hour to get water ? That is shamefull.

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    Well its not just like dropping some hard suction into the water and drafting. There are 2 pumps that go in the water which feed another larger pump that supply the scene, running the 12" line from the pump to the scene, and setting everything up. Like I said, it's not a first option for water. While this is being set up there is still operations on scene consuming water. A city water system can really only reliable handle 3 or 4 tower ladders per leg. The more you add the more flow and pressure drops. This can happen for blocks...I've seen it. Hook up to a hydrant 4 blocks away static intake pressure shows 80 psig...open the valve to start flowing and the gage drops to 10 psig and a few gallons per minute. That's where tenders come into play, we can drop thousands of gallons in minutes from each truck into portable pools that engines can draft from and keep a steady and reliable source. There is no pressure drop as it is being supplied by the engine(s). An efficient tender operation can out flow most municipal water systems with multiple apparatus in operation easily. But when there's a large body of water near by you can draft the engines directly off it...but if you need a shit ton of water, you call in the Neptune system to augment what you already have in place.

    With 3 guys I can have water flowing off a draft in 5 to 10 minutes. Slower than a hydrant but I also have 1250 gallons to use on my engine and 2750 to use if I pump with the tender. So basically I can have water on the fire as soon as the guys get the hose off the truck.

    Fire scenes are not static events, they are very fluid. Good command staff always keep their options open. Knowing what you have at your disposal and whats going on are key.

    The incident commander made the right choice to let it burn and save assets for later. It's says right in the chemical emergency response guide book even says for a lot of chemicals that have massive involvement to isolate the area and let it burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Man 1066 View Post
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    This was a little bit southwest of me, but less trees in the way.
    Did you have any debris in your yard from the blast? I saw several areas in Rockton that had debris. It looked line burn insulation all over the yards.

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    Nothing in my yard, but debris atleast into Loves Park, maybe further. The wind was due south, and I am due east, so that helps.

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    I don't know if anyone posted this vid yet, but it's got some dramatic aerial footage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaY4amTL-qY

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    Should let it burn and maybe add something to it to make it hotter.

    Why create water pollution?

    Already have air pollution.

    Clean up will probably be in space suits.

    Send in some of those F35's and do a strike.

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    My sister in law's house, 7.5 miles away, had charred chunks of roof land in the yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pathogen View Post
    Should let it burn and maybe add something to it to make it hotter.

    Why create water pollution?

    Already have air pollution.

    Clean up will probably be in space suits.

    Send in some of those F35's and do a strike.
    I heard they are going to foam once the containment berms are built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer120x View Post
    I heard they are going to foam once the containment berms are built.
    Why doesn't a chemical plant have berms in place at all times ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pathogen View Post
    Should let it burn and maybe add something to it to make it hotter.

    Why create water pollution?

    Already have air pollution.

    Clean up will probably be in space suits.

    Send in some of those F35's and do a strike.

    They did let it burn out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archer120x View Post
    I heard they are going to foam once the containment berms are built.
    They have been using water on hotspots since yesterday. Most of what's left is non fluid or less than fluid. Plus they don't need the massive quantities of water that actual fire suppression would need. Foam would do no good at this stage of the operation.

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    Yup, air pollution is the great thing....it's all into the next county in about 10 minutes.

    Let everyone downwind deal with it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Yup, air pollution is the great thing....it's all into the next county in about 10 minutes.

    Let everyone downwind deal with it.....
    That was one hell of a plume...50-60 miles is a looooong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastikdreams View Post
    That was one hell of a plume...50-60 miles is a looooong way.
    You and I are both downwind sir.
    Incinerations in a refineries "flare", or at a chemical incineration plant is clearly different than billowing, black (lack of complete combustion) fire that is what we have here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    You and I are both downwind sir.
    Incinerations in a refineries "flare", or at a chemical incineration plant is clearly different than billowing, black (lack of complete combustion) fire that is what we have here.
    Yeah that was pretty much a chemical bonfire lol. Chemtool basically showed the diesel boys how coal is rolled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pathogen View Post
    Should let it burn and maybe add something to it to make it hotter.

    Why create water pollution?

    Already have air pollution.

    Clean up will probably be in space suits.

    Send in some of those F35's and do a strike.
    Send in F35's and strike? 150 yards from a large river? And your talking about concerns of water pollution? The fire happened. Its still burning, visible smoke 10 miles out. Suggest something positive to help, or something pro-active to reduce the risk at other plants.


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