Roll-In milling technique ? (video)

Milacron · May 14, 2010

Maybe this has been discussed here already and I missed it, but I honestly hadn't given so called "roll-in" technique much thought before. Here's a (Sandvik) video to show what I mean -

www.myyellowcoat.com/machine-type/3-and-4-axis-machine/roll-in-milling/

Thoughts ? (or links to past discussions of such here ?)

Mud · May 14, 2010

I haven't seen it here. I've done it, and it works, didn't realize it had a name.

SeymourDumore · May 14, 2010

Interesting, and certainly been experienced.
From the looks of it, the "roll-in" radius is equivalent to the cutter diameter?

FP4NC_Finster · May 14, 2010

This is part of the reason Deckel has (has had since the '80s) the Radial Approach and Departure with Comp, this also helps with tool marks at the start and finish points.

ARB · May 14, 2010

Nice find! Some of the other vids look good too. Here is to hoping they keep expanding the collection.
I can see using that technique in the future.

KilrB · May 14, 2010

Interesting!

Thank you Milacron.

PaulT · May 14, 2010

SeymourDumore said:
Interesting, and certainly been experienced.
From the looks of it, the "roll-in" radius is equivalent to the cutter diameter?

I definitely want to try this, my not so rigid machine complains a lot on cut entry, especially on steel. I believe the roll-in radius has to be the same as the tool radius.

On a starting cut away from you as you face the workpiece (like the video) it appears that you offset the tool by one radius to the right, approach the workpiece then just when it touches you make a clockwise quarter arc starting in the 9 o'clock direction with the radius the same as the tool radius. So the tool essentially pivots around that first touch point, keeping the chips always thin on exit but increasing thicker on entry until the tool fully enters the cut.

I've got some steel parts I need to cut a slot in the next week or two, it would be easy to program this change in, I'm definitely going to give it a shot, it makes sense, I'll report back how it goes.

Paul T.

Bruce Griffing · May 14, 2010

Many CAM systems I have seen, including the one I use, have many entry options - including "roll in" like options.

jdj · May 14, 2010

Mud said:
I haven't seen it here. I've done it, and it works, didn't realize it had a name.

Same here. I don't have much of a problem with needing it when face milling, mostly when using end mills.

Jeff

Ox · May 14, 2010

Seems like it would be good to add a wee bit to your rad, or know EXACTLY where the edge of your part is.

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Mud · May 14, 2010

I add about .015 -.050, less on smaller cutters, more on larger ones for safety.

Dave Cross · May 14, 2010

I've found this is the only way to get any sort of life out of solid carbide em's, especially when cutting stainless. I would have thought a radius entry/exit was standard on most any cam system?

HuFlungDung · May 14, 2010

Dave Cross said:
I've found this is the only way to get any sort of life out of solid carbide em's, especially when cutting stainless. I would have thought a radius entry/exit was standard on most any cam system?

While my CAM system does permit many entry styles, I'm still the one who gets to choose the direction

I admit I've not thought of it before, and it will be easy enough to change my habit. For straight profiles, I have up til now, simply fed straight in parallel to the profile, never thought to sneak around the corner on the stock side of the profile.

BobWarfield · May 15, 2010

Cool video!

Thanks,

BW

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Rstewart · May 18, 2010

Couldn't see the video due to our network crap, but that is the ONLY way I chose to attack parts.

I use that technique on endmills, but never really tried it with a facemill.

PhillipM · May 19, 2010

I've always done that tbh, didn't realise it was special enough to have it's own marketing name :willy_nilly:

dfstrasser · May 19, 2010

Sandvik has been holding "Modern Art of Milling" events that demonstrate this and other milling techniques. Very informative without alot of selling.

It definately works. Try it both ways and listen to the difference when the tool enters the cut.

Also, it makes a big difference in toollife when dealing with HRSA's. I have experienced this first hand in Inco.

UsedMachine · Aug 25, 2010

Oh, no...not the dreaded TOOL WARE

dafoosa said:
if you don't use chip studies and techniques for chip optimization you waste a great deal of money in unnecessary tool ware.....but the USA has been notorious for WASTE of every kind in the last 100 years. that's why USA is in its death throws. no more dirt cheap resources to rape. Kaizen and sixsigma might help.

Duhhh...Tungsten doesn't grow here, and it's never been dirt cheap. But I'll tell you one thing: for anything smaller than a 50-person shop it's still a lot cheaper than the time-sinks you just mentioned. Sounds like somebody's metalcutting experience has been acquired from the other side of the window--the one that looks out into the shop. :skep:

g-coder05 · Aug 25, 2010

what kinda tool shop ya'll in?
if you don't use chip studies and techniques for chip optimization you waste a great deal of money in unnecessary tool ware.....but the USA has been notorious for WASTE of every kind in the last 100 years. that's why USA is in its death throws. no more dirt cheap resources to rape. Kaizen and sixsigma might help.

Hmmm, Well best I can tell "SIXSIGMA" is being thrown out in favor of LEAN and some 5s. (Pesonaly IMO implement a 5's and forget the rest)

A little research and you will find more people looking for Lean back grounds more than sixsigma.

As far as chip studies go, If you understand "chip thinning" then anything else is common sense. Since waste is a consideration then I would suggest a cam system with trochordial milling or you can take the cheap way out and call SECO and ask for one of there FREE chip thinning calculators.

madeiros · Aug 25, 2010

This looks like climb milling to me. Cutting into the work also gives a clean edge, especially on stainless. This does not work well on conventional machines, like a Bridgeport, unless you have ball screws.

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