Mike in Wi
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- Jun 15, 2013
- Location
- S.E. WI
I'm hoping to get some ideas from those with more experience with more "rpm" than I have.
This will be deliberately vague but hopefully I can convey enough information for useful suggestions.
A little background-our shop cuts steel in a pretty niche market. We have been and are successful. Our biggest customer has had us doing a specific type of part for them in aluminum recently, kind of a "family" of parts. To the point of us adding a new dedicated machine to process these.
Many similar features but no 2 parts the same ever. It is not aerospace, but often reminds me of such, having really only seen pictures of spar type plane parts. Lots of pockets with realatively thin walls and floors. These have no real critical tolerances, but a fairly large area of material removed. But the defined walls and features preclude really hacking off chunks with larger tooling.
Generally the features of the part define the tools used. Our most common roughing tool is a 3/4" carbide end mill currently. With smaller tools to finish defined radiuses and other features.
We are currently running these on one of our VMC 64X32X32 6000 rpm geared head 50 taper machines. This is our "standard" machine as we have 6 similar ones. We need the travels for the normal work we do.
We have recently acquired a machine to run these parts and it will require a different approach however. We have no concern over the ability to make it work, but being able to jump a few early hurdles would be helpful.
The machine is a no-name Taiwan bridge mill. (WellMax CNC) The machine has 40X32x30 travels so it will take up less floor space. It is a HSK 62(?) spindle with 20k rpm to cut some aluminum. A 40 tool carousel and Mitsubishi 830(?) control.
My real questions relate to tooling and programming for this type of mill. We normally run essentially everything at 6k and feed around 100ipm. The machine we have been using is a box way machine so a lot of high speed direction changes are not its favorite thing to do.
The material is all 6061 sheet, we will never have to cut over 1" deep. We use MasterCam X9 to program. With the 50 taper and 6k spindles, we have not really used any of the dynamic tool path features up to this point. We have been limited to 500k program size and machine limits up to this point.
There is anticipation of using "MQL" ( min quan lube) on theses parts-does that really work for slotting/pocketing in 6061? I have never done it and am skeptical, but that's why I'm asking.
Is there a "point" to switch to single flute tooling as far as rpm and federate? I don't have the spindle ratings with me but I know the range is from 3k to 20k, a lot different than what we are used to. We have purchased a fair number of hydraulic holders to go in the machine. Do we have to worry about pull out with aggressive milling? We currently have been using side locks with flats but again only at 6k in a Cat 50 mill never used HSK yet.
I am anticipating using more dynamic milling, but is it really advantageous at only 5/8-1 inch depths of cut in aluminum? The machine has supposedly 2 gig memory, so that will remove one of our old hurdles- not actually on our floor yet.
Well that turned out to be a lot more story and fewer questions than my intent. If anyone made it this far, I am really hoping for some suggestions on applying our rpm, and making better use of our software for this application.
I would be glad to offer more info to clarify if needed.
Thanks in advance,
Mike
This will be deliberately vague but hopefully I can convey enough information for useful suggestions.
A little background-our shop cuts steel in a pretty niche market. We have been and are successful. Our biggest customer has had us doing a specific type of part for them in aluminum recently, kind of a "family" of parts. To the point of us adding a new dedicated machine to process these.
Many similar features but no 2 parts the same ever. It is not aerospace, but often reminds me of such, having really only seen pictures of spar type plane parts. Lots of pockets with realatively thin walls and floors. These have no real critical tolerances, but a fairly large area of material removed. But the defined walls and features preclude really hacking off chunks with larger tooling.
Generally the features of the part define the tools used. Our most common roughing tool is a 3/4" carbide end mill currently. With smaller tools to finish defined radiuses and other features.
We are currently running these on one of our VMC 64X32X32 6000 rpm geared head 50 taper machines. This is our "standard" machine as we have 6 similar ones. We need the travels for the normal work we do.
We have recently acquired a machine to run these parts and it will require a different approach however. We have no concern over the ability to make it work, but being able to jump a few early hurdles would be helpful.
The machine is a no-name Taiwan bridge mill. (WellMax CNC) The machine has 40X32x30 travels so it will take up less floor space. It is a HSK 62(?) spindle with 20k rpm to cut some aluminum. A 40 tool carousel and Mitsubishi 830(?) control.
My real questions relate to tooling and programming for this type of mill. We normally run essentially everything at 6k and feed around 100ipm. The machine we have been using is a box way machine so a lot of high speed direction changes are not its favorite thing to do.
The material is all 6061 sheet, we will never have to cut over 1" deep. We use MasterCam X9 to program. With the 50 taper and 6k spindles, we have not really used any of the dynamic tool path features up to this point. We have been limited to 500k program size and machine limits up to this point.
There is anticipation of using "MQL" ( min quan lube) on theses parts-does that really work for slotting/pocketing in 6061? I have never done it and am skeptical, but that's why I'm asking.
Is there a "point" to switch to single flute tooling as far as rpm and federate? I don't have the spindle ratings with me but I know the range is from 3k to 20k, a lot different than what we are used to. We have purchased a fair number of hydraulic holders to go in the machine. Do we have to worry about pull out with aggressive milling? We currently have been using side locks with flats but again only at 6k in a Cat 50 mill never used HSK yet.
I am anticipating using more dynamic milling, but is it really advantageous at only 5/8-1 inch depths of cut in aluminum? The machine has supposedly 2 gig memory, so that will remove one of our old hurdles- not actually on our floor yet.
Well that turned out to be a lot more story and fewer questions than my intent. If anyone made it this far, I am really hoping for some suggestions on applying our rpm, and making better use of our software for this application.
I would be glad to offer more info to clarify if needed.
Thanks in advance,
Mike