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Ive been looking at new high feed inserted end mills. I really like tungaloy but not thrilled with giving my money to warren buffet.

Anyways I'm thinkining about millstar. But not sure how they perform. Im wondering if there is any other options. Seco run good but not american.

I dont have any bias towards any foreign companies.. just want to spend cash on american products if possible.
 
Why such a concern about american made tooling? I think your about 20 years too late to try to save any US co's.
Even facking Kenametal makes shit all over the world this days.
Carboloy (SECO) used to be owned by GE in 70's
 
I do have bias...but it is hard to buy anything parttialy not made in china when chings control probably 80% of tungsten production.
 
Seco is owned by sandvik now. Why? Because i can.

Anyway. As i said.. millstar is about all i can find. Anyone else got anything?
 
Ab Tool....they dont make carbide .....they just grind ching stuff.
SCT does too so does CGC. All the american co's got fuck ed out of carbide business.
LOL so does Harvey tool ... they dont make shit.....they just resale.
 
Buy what makes you the most money in the end, any other reasoning is poor business. Your competitors are doing just that, and if you choose some silly rationalization based on other factor you are choosing to lose.

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Been using Sandvik and Seco for past 20 years..... never buying another Kennabullshit insert again.
 
Dijet is a better product compared to Millstar in terms of performance but they are Japanese. K-Tool is a great USA made product but they don't do high feed mills. Seco does make their tool bodies in USA or so I've been told. A lot of big tooling companies are moving toward making their inch product in the USA like Sumitomo & Horn.

One company that makes a lot of stuff in the USA that you would never guess is Kyocera. Which is weird because its a large global corporation but they make a lot of stuff here in Ohio. One of my customers actually got awarded a few jobs making their mill tool bodies.
 
I do have bias...but it is hard to buy anything parttialy not made in china when chings control probably 80% of tungsten production.


Wow. You do realize that changing the k to a g doesn't make the word "ching" any less offensive, right?

-An Asian Member.
 
Some one in business told me that Melin makes most small dia. cutters for Harvey, also Harvey bought Helical tool.
 
Buy what makes you the most money in the end, any other reasoning is poor business. Your competitors are doing just that, and if you choose some silly rationalization based on other factor you are choosing to lose.

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this is quite obviously true, however, last I checked small tools* ran about 7 percent of my expenses, so if I chose to only buy inserted end mills that cost twice as much, I doubt it would have any real impact on my profitability

This works in the reverse also, buying the cheapest ass inserted end mills does not increase your profitability noticeably either

Not paying attention to tooling costs is a problem, making conscious decisions is not


*drill bits end mills calipers hand drills wrenches hammers toolholders screwdrivers, everything that is not used up by using it but not capitalized
 
But by not considering products from anywhere outside the US, you're also limiting yourself to products that may be of lesser quality. The loss of productivity might hit your bottom line far more than the cost of the tools.
 
Valid point mark. Certainly not going to chase dumb money, but its worth the effort to at least look to support countrymen right?

Nothing against buffet.. hes just got enough money. Lol
 
Ab Tool....they dont make carbide .....they just grind ching stuff.
SCT does too so does CGC. All the american co's got fuck ed out of carbide business.
LOL so does Harvey tool ... they dont make shit.....they just resale.

Not so sure the actual carbide here is made in China.
Sure the raw powder and APT mostly comes from there and has forever but a handful of dust is a long ways from a finished cutting tool.
We don't and never have had much tungsten ore in the ground. China has moved up a notch from a supplier of APT to graded WC powder over the years.

I certainly know people who press and sinter a lot of rod and insert blanks in the US and there has to be many hundreds of coating furnaces here.
I suspect that some you have named use made in the USA blanks and puzzled as to why the attitude or the attempt to call them out.

More to the OP:
You run the tool that kicks all other "Dicks into the dirt". Your job is to make money and those pennies do count.
Accept no close second for point of origin. Expect all out performance.
Second place is like kissing your sister and I would feel like a piece of shit if the decision to buy was country based and not performance.
There is one deal here and it is being the best for what your customer needs. Import/domestic no matter.
Bob
 
I shut ya down at the Warren Buffett "he has enough money" statement. Sounds vaguely socialist.

I do have something in common with Warren: we're both business owners and capitalists.
Who's to say when someone has enough money? Where is the cut off line?
 
Valid point mark. Certainly not going to chase dumb money, but its worth the effort to at least look to support countrymen right?

Nothing against buffet.. hes just got enough money. Lol

But what about the employees he has here in the US that sell and support the tools, certainly that is supporting your countrymen.
 








 
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