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Any guess what a new drawbar for a Deckel jig bore head would cost ?

Milacron

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Got a head that is missing the drawbar....and yes of course Singer could tell me but need to know today ideally. Based on the price for S20 type drawbar for the mill vertical heads I can't imagine it being more than 150 bucks or so...but I wonder...
 
119.89 + tax and shipping.

That's my guess :)
No tax here.... would that include the disk on top or just the drawbar itself ?

Below is what I mean....see how one head has no drawbar but the one that does has what appears to be a knurled disk as well ? What is that disk for exactly ...just to serve as a sort of washer for the drawbar to pull against (and also to keep the bar from simply falling out when no tool is in place) ?

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The knurled disk is to aid in snugging it up but basically only a fancy thrust surface. OTOH IMO it seems the draw bar on the boring head doesn't spin as freely as the vertical head so the knurled ring does help when changing tools.
Dan
 
Got a head that is missing the drawbar....and yes of course Singer could tell me but need to know today ideally. Based on the price for S20 type drawbar for the mill vertical heads I can't imagine it being more than 150 bucks or so...but I wonder...

Per Eric's links, Franz left "footprints".

Converted to US$, I'd venture that's close to what a typical functioning, revenue, not hobby, shop would have to charge to fab from a sample as well.
 
I'm going with the planet furthest from earth on your list ;)

LOL! All too often, that is all we have.

To be fair, if you actuially clock go-fetch or go-place an order time plus realistic shop-rates, even a DIY kludge off appropriate raw stock, US or Metric "all-thread" is going to top a hundred bucks for an in-house "spare time" doit. Most of it in f**k-with time to get the fits to work right, of course.
 
Seriously, that much for a drawbar? [emoji33]
Why don't you make one your self?

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Seriously, that much for a drawbar? [emoji33]
Why don't you make one your self?
Setting aside for the moment that his time-valuation might actually see it cost MORE?

The "usual reasons" any capable person with the skill and resources to make chooses to buy instead?

A) He "has a life beyond the drawbar." Or a business to run. Or higher, read: "more profitable", OTHER commercial opportunities to chase.

B) In this case, Milacron is a professional machine-tool DEALER. High-end, not sad & tired.

A(ny) factory, OEM, known specialist third-party aftermarket component is a plus toward the sale.

A(ny) DIY component, no matter how well executed, is generally perceived by a potential purchaser as less-so. "Unproven" if nothing else.

Cap'n Obvious

:)
 
Sorry (not really) I didn't know he was a 'high-end machine tool dealer'
- maybe I could have calculated that by his +50.000 posts in a hobby-shop forum [emoji23]

From what I understood, he needed a (price on) a drawbar, and fast. I therefore thought it was in a hurry. And by that I assumed it would be faster, AND cheaper to DIY.
I didn't know this was a item that were in the hands of a dealer.
 
Sorry (not really) I didn't know he was a 'high-end machine tool dealer'
- maybe I could have calculated that by his +50.000 posts in a hobby-shop forum [emoji23]

From what I understood, he needed a (price on) a drawbar, and fast. I therefore thought it was in a hurry. And by that I assumed it would be faster, AND cheaper to DIY.
I didn't know this was a item that were in the hands of a dealer.

Are you intentionally being a troll? Practical Machinist is the OPPOSITE of a hobby-shop forum, and Milacron is the owner of the site.
 
Of course I'm not. Do you get the impression of that, from my latest two posts?!

From what I read on this forum, are most of the question from people having machining as a hobby, and not live by doing it. (MOST, not all)

Thats why I call it a hobby-forum.
But you can of course not see the smile on my face as I'm writing this (on the other side of the earth) [emoji846]
 
Of course I'm not. Do you get the impression of that, from my latest two posts?!

From what I read on this forum, are most of the question from people having machining as a hobby, and not live by doing it. (MOST, not all)

Thats why I call it a hobby-forum.
But you can of course not see the smile on my face as I'm writing this (on the other side of the earth) [emoji846]

Just the last one. That's why I asked. I always thought it was clear that the owner's intent was for this to be a professional machinist's forum, so your positive assertion to the contrary - and in a thread started by the owner - seemed to be an attempt to agitate.
 
Not at all. I Didn't know the thread starter were the owner of this forum.

But still don't know why a 'high end dealer' would need to ask about spareparts on an forum like this? Would assume some contacts were there with the real guys in the industry.

But, i was just giving my own thoughts of buying a ~400€ drawbar, which I find a insane price for something that simple.
Especially when I thought he was a private guy, needing a drawbar for his mill....

But i were corrected, and several things were pointed out, - In a, to me, strange way. But maybe it's just my bad english that make me misunderstood the real meaning of the answer.
 
I was of the assumption, Milacron wanted to reply with a price to a potential customer.
So he had to know, how much a drawbar would set him back. And time was of the essence.

Cheers
 
But maybe it's just my bad english that make me misunderstood the real meaning of the answer.

Not the language. The culture. More likely it was being resident in a nation (Denmark) that prides itself on its agnosticism.

May seem far-fetched, but I am being serious.

Milacron asked "the world at large" for cost guidance because the very day he needed a price happened to be "Good Friday".

US or Continental Europe (he's dealt with Franz Singer for long years..), most businesses are CLOSED for said holiday, whether the players are religious or not.

Erik - closer to the market Franz serves the MOST, knew there would be an advert running, Franz in the office, on hols or "wherever".

And numbers were found.

You got a PROBLEM with that functional model? You've simply overlooked the astonishing breadth of PM's vast resource set.

He could as easily have posed a query about stem cells, dental implants, eye operations, preservation of Diesel fuel, or astral navigation.

And found the expertise to respond rapidly just as easily.

"Right here on PM."

Might as well call it "Practical Polymath, haven for the Rennaisance Man" for how wide and deeply PM can dig.

EVERYONE HERE - even HS dropouts - has a high level of expertise at SOMETHING. Most at several things.

Our founder and mentor high on that list in his own right, BTW.

How about yerself? What bring ye to this "stone soup party"?

The "Troll-from-Denmark" job slot is already filled by an experienced professional in that very speciality. No turn un-stoned as it were.

No need to remain a mere passenger.

:D
 








 
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