Chris Hall
Cast Iron
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- Feb 28, 2013
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- Greenfield, MA
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I've seen these before somewhere, but I am having trouble identifying what these Deckel FP2 accessories are for:
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I've pored through the pictures on lathes.uk, and looked through Singer's site, but I can find them. Anyone here familiar with them?
Nobody bid on it as far as I can tell. I was sorely tempted, but by the time I added in rigging, trucking across the country, and dealing with the machine voltage, it was not quite as worthwhile. Besides, it looks like I have found something suitable in Japan, and it costs about the same to ship as the god-awful prospect of domestic LTL shipping (another reason I hesitated).
I am obviously completely unsavvy with that site. I went back, logged in, and was able to see a link to 'recently sold', and wow it brought $6269, plus taxes etc.. I would not have been a player. Compared to what I have found elsewhere, and given the machine age and condition, selection of accessories, I consider it way over-priced. Maybe I need to see more current pricing for FP-2s to gauge the market better.
What do you think that machine would be listed for if on a dealer's site?
Definately not an FP2 accessory. IMO it's an over arm support for a mill but not the FP2.Ah, I see. The gage block holder mounted like this:
And you're sure the other piece is not for an FP2?
Looks like there's another one up for auction, this one in Ottawa. No tooling, though.
Why would you think it should be opposite? Or even different?Weird to me that the one in Vancouver is 600v., while the one in Ottawa is 220v. Normally one would expect just the opposite.
I'm not going to bit on it. What do you think it will sell for?
Why would you think it should be opposite? Or even different?
You understood it was a sealed bids affair, rather than an auction from the outset, no? A surprising number of my former co-workers had a very hard time wrapping their heads around that, figuring that the minimum bid, was somehow related to the final sales price.
No telling what it will go for. Might not even get a bid, in which case they will drop the minimum lower and re-list it. But since you don't get to find out what the other bids are, you pretty much make your best guess and live with the results. Only takes one guy that decides he REALLY wants it, to skew the results way off.
The one in Toronto is closer to a larger sector of both population and potential hobby or Pro-sumer users. Like as not, with less stuff, it'll still sell higher.
Anyone in any form of Industrial location is pretty much going to have access to 575v power up here. It gets less common as you go down the food chain to shops on rural properties, or basement home shops, and the like. 220v/3ph isn't uncommon. Whatever the buyer orders, is all....
I grew up in the lower mainland of BC, and my family lives on Vancouver Island to this day, so after 30-odd years of my life there I am not completely unaware of things north of the border as perhaps could be said of many Americans (not that I'm American - just married to one ).
From the angle of looking at machinery on the market, I tend to associate 575v machinery with the southern Ontario industrial belt. BC has always been a raw materials depot, not much a manufacturing hub. Sawmills are the main users of industrial power in BC that I am aware of. I have not seen woodworking or milling machines of that 575 voltage coming out of western Canada before - and I have worked in a few shops on Vancouver Island and done my share of equipment shopping there in the distant past. Never saw a 600v. machine out west, but I have seen plenty of them coming out of S. Ontario. One forms opinions based upon what one has seen after all. As you say, if you can have a certain voltage available at your site, you can specify machine power to suit.
I just did a little reading on the BC Hydro website and see that the basic 3-phase option there is 120/208 or 347/600. That was news to me. Here, the option for 3-phase is 120/208v or 276/480v., and that seems fairly common around much of the US at least.
As to the auction, I was only made aware of it - and the website - a day before and yes, had no understanding that it was of the sealed bid variety. That makes more sense now. I did read through terms and conditions but there was a lot to wade through and I was paying more attention to details about removing the equipment. I had limited time to try and figure out what rigging and shipping costs would look like, and that was my focus leading up to the end of the auction. So, when the auction ended it appeared to me that there had been no bids, which was a surprise. Now I know what happened - thanks for clearing that up. Not the kind of auction I am too interested in going forward (as it stands, I don't care much for the auction format in general).
It is of interest to me to see what a 1960s Deckel FP2 mill might sell for in Canada. I've seen the range of prices in Europe, and of course what gets listed on Ebay provides some info too. Prices can be all over the map. No way I would have paid $6300 for that one at the NRC, given additional costs, but someone else obviously thought it was a workable price.
I suppose that, of the two auction formats, the sealed bid system eliminates the competitive bidding war scenarios that happen with the no-reserve, incremental format (like on IRS auctions, say) where you are notified about being outbid and the auction timer gets reset each time.
Interesting to me how the West coast item had a starting minimum of $1000, while the Ottawa auction, for much the same item, starts at $6500.00. I wonder how the minimum starting bid price affects bidder psychology?
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